Saturday 24 September CR clip

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Saturday 24 September CR clip

Postby ge0rge » Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:10 pm

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Re: Saturday 24 September CR clip

Postby Amy » Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:40 pm

Remind me not to ride behind George...

You seem to have missed the three idiots who decided that blasting away on their car horns was the way to overtake. Plus we had two on the way back from Tanhurst going the other way who leaned out the window to shout something at us - probably not praise and encouragement.
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Re: Saturday 24 September CR clip

Postby ge0rge » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:37 pm

[quote="Amy"]Remind me not to ride behind George...

Why not? You looked good to me. And I know you tend to ride at the back to make sure no one is left behind!
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You seem to have missed the three idiots who decided that blasting away on their car horns was the way to overtake. Plus we had two on the way back from Tanhurst going the other way who leaned out the window to shout something at us - probably not praise and encouragement.

I've probably got the ones on our way to Tan Hse (I posted the worst one on Addiscombe FaceBook group). Jon was thinking of reporting the incident to the police but I'm not hopeful they'll even warn the vehicle owner. Pity there is no cycling association/group (funded by clubs/individuals) which could pursue the more blatant/inexcusable misdeeds in court.
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Re: Saturday 24 September CR clip

Postby Amy » Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:52 am

There is the [url=http://www.cyclistsdefencefund.org.uk/]Cyclist Defence Fund[/url]. As a member of the CTC - sorry Cycling UK - I also get help from their lawyers for any incidents against. They represented my Mum when she got doored by a woman just flinging open her car door without looking - we also had a very good guy who was driving the other way who was more than happy to bear witness on our behalf. Shame I couldn't say the same about the copper who tried to tell me my mother's headset was loose - urrrm, it's supposed to swing like that so we can turn corners? And the bike and Mum have just hit the floor...

And I was riding at the back because my legs felt like lead weights and was struggling to hang on :(
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Re: Saturday 24 September CR clip

Postby ge0rge » Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:55 pm

[quote="Amy"]... my Mum when she got doored by a woman just flinging open her car door without looking - we also had a very good guy who was driving the other way who was more than happy to bear witness on our behalf. Shame I couldn't say the same about the copper who tried to tell me my mother's headset was loose - urrrm, it's supposed to swing like that so we can turn corners? And the bike and Mum have just hit the floor...

I hope your Mum is OK and has recovered from that accident. In some strange way, nonetheless inexcusable, I could see why that police officer was trying to fob off your mum's accident. For him, it was just more hassle and admin work to set up a case against the motorist and having to go to court. It is easier to *blame the victim* - as sufficiently demonstrated by the Dept. of Transport own skewed way of looking at cycling. They put out this video - http://metro.co.uk/2016/09/26/victim-bl ... to=twitter
On a more mundane level, last week-end I had this somewhat annoying conversation with a relative about cyclists. But perhaps it's an insight in how a lot of people see cyclists. His arguments were (1) 90% of cycling is for leisure activity and not out of transportation necessity. Hence they are just a nuisance compared to people who (presumably) have more serious business reasons to be on the road (2) Cyclists continually break road traffic laws (3) roads are for motor vehicles. Hence there is a road tax which motorists have to pay. Cyclists don't contribute at all and are therefore getting a free ride.
Of course I pointed out that he's mistaken on all three counts. Argument (1) is a non sequitur. The law does not exclude cycling from road usage except where specifically stated (2) A generalisation which is sometimes true but still less exaggerated or dangerous to others than if I said motorists continually break the speed limit on a 30 mph zone (3) The so-called Road tax is VED (Vehicle Excise Duty) and this tax is based on motor vehicles' CO2 emission. It is not a tax for road usage or road repairs.
But I doubt that I've made the slightest dent on his views about cyclists. It is often the case "I've made up my mind. Don't try to confuse me"!
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Re: Saturday 24 September CR clip

Postby Amy » Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:07 pm

I know, I had to educate a colleague at work after she told me that motorists paid a Road Tax Fund still... err, Churchill got rid of it in1936... As you point out, nowadays it's more of a pollution tax. There's at least two car adverts showing people driving cars to go and get a pint of milk, in one case driving for miles - hmm, that's an environmentally-friendly idea.

Mum's accident was a long time ago - we were returning from a visit to my old Latin teacher to borrow my old Latin course books before I went to university. We didn't have a car so we certainly didn't just ride for fun.
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Re: Saturday 24 September CR clip

Postby Bo-Gilly » Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:07 pm

[quote="Amy"]I know, I had to educate a colleague at work after she told me that motorists paid a Road Tax Fund still... err, Churchill got rid of it in1936... As you point out, nowadays it's more of a pollution tax.


You'll only be able to say that until 2020.

"The money brought in from road tax in England will be spent on England’s roads from 2020."

http://highwaysmagazine.co.uk/chancello ... oads-fund/
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Re: Saturday 24 September CR clip

Postby Amy » Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:32 pm

[quote="Bo-Gilly"][quote="Amy"]I know, I had to educate a colleague at work after she told me that motorists paid a Road Tax Fund still... err, Churchill got rid of it in1936... As you point out, nowadays it's more of a pollution tax.


You'll only be able to say that until 2020.

"The money brought in from road tax in England will be spent on England’s roads from 2020."

http://highwaysmagazine.co.uk/chancello ... oads-fund/


Oh no, that strikes fear into my heart... https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... s-cyclists

Perhaps cyclists with a car will need a jersey with "I DO have a car" emblazoned across chest and back...
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Re: Saturday 24 September CR clip

Postby ge0rge » Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:06 pm

[quote="Bo-Gilly"]
You'll only be able to say that until 2020.
"The money brought in from road tax in England will be spent on England’s roads from 2020."
http://highwaysmagazine.co.uk/chancello ... oads-fund/

Osborne is gone. Whether the new chancellor will take up Osborne's idea is not known. However someone posted these relevant comments. I like the funny rejoinder best! :lol:
Monchberter
It's an unpleasant gift from Osborne to cyclists for sure but this so called revival of 'road tax' will remain irrelevant for cyclists.
a) the funding from VED is only intended to cover the 'strategic road network', i.e. 'A' roads, dual carriageways and motorways - the kinds of roads most cyclists would choose to avoid, or are unable to use (motorways) anyway. Local roads remain paid for from income tax and council tax, which everyone pays.
b) regardless of whether the fund did cover all roads, it is intended to be spent on new roads, so riding on existing 'A' roads, any "road tax" comments thrown a cyclist's way will be misinformed.
c) if spent on damaged roads again 'road tax' is irrelevant to cyclists who cause next to no damage to the actual surface.

Still, I still fear "you don't pay road tax" being brandished as a weapon by anyone irate at cyclists.

DoctorFloyd -> Monchberter
If they do brandish it, I'll just be telling them to kindly f**k off. Same as now!
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