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Re: Club Duathlon champs anyone

Postby Marek » Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:23 pm

No drafting, but if we are going to do this we should do it proper, a sprint distance is not worth getting out of bed for. I think we should make it pretty tough and make the distances meaningful. So I would be much more interested in 5km run, 40km bike, 10km run.

I would prefer it to be somewhere green and pleasant than the baron land of Hillingdon, also it is so boring at Hillingdon that the distances above would be a nightmare. Horne circuit is not good for a run in my opinion as there is no pathway all the way around. How about something like the following in terms of course:

1. Start at top of Ashdown Forest. Go for initial run in the forest area at the top of Kidds Hill. I know a good little route that is a few miles long that we could run around a couple of times. Then into the car park to pick up the bike.

2. Descend the hill towards Hartfield, turn left and take the road back towards Forest Row. A few miles down the road turn left and then go straight on to Kidds Hill and go up that monster. Do this loop 3 or 4 times.

3. Back into the Car Park and final run in the Forest again, adding on a couple more laps.

Now that would be a proper day out.

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Re: Club Duathlon champs anyone

Postby mlocke » Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:43 am

Few people in the ACC road races got dropped as far as I am aware - I should know I think I finished almost dead last!
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Re: Club Duathlon champs anyone

Postby mlocke » Sat Mar 07, 2009 8:46 am

I am struggling to see how no drafting helps us lesser mortals?

Surely if they get help on the ride then the run is going to be closer?

Even if some of the faster guys get 2 minutes on the ride thats a lot to make up.

I run 4 mile most days and finish a couple of minutes ahead of the peeps I go with normally and its pretty tough - they arent very quick runners either whereas the guys in our club should all be pretty fit
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Re: Club Duathlon champs anyone

Postby carl f » Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:34 pm

As far as i'm aware only elite's race drafting duathlons
By keeping it non drafting as marco sais will appeal more to novices as well
You will still have to run fast on the 1st run to get in the pack for the bike leg, if you don't get dropped you might have a chance on the 2nd run i guess
Lets keep it non drafting,that way its fair for everyone
you'll have to up your running training in the summer......
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Re: Club Duathlon champs anyone

Postby huw williams » Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:01 pm

[quote="Marek"]-

2. Descend the hill towards Hartfield, turn left and take the road back towards Forest Row. A few miles down the road turn left and then go straight on to Kidds Hill and go up that monster. Do this loop 3 or 4 times.


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Re: Club Duathlon champs anyone

Postby Andrew G » Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:06 pm

Can't see why you'd want to run at the best of times, let alone when you have a bike to hand, but for a starter event I think it should be a sprint event at Hillingdon with no drafting. Simple logistics of having a few marshals on an open course could cause problems before you start otherwise, also safety/first aid etc can be more easily managed.

Stop moaning Mark :lol: . If you had drafting them as Paul says he'd just adapt his tactics to whatever style was needed, as would anyone else. I thought the bike leg of duo/tris was supposed to be a TT not a road race, tri bars and bunch racing don't make happy bedfellows.

Another reason to have it on a circuit is to stop Mark getting lost, although he might try and ride round the wrong way :roll: .
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Re: Club Duathlon champs anyone

Postby Marek » Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:19 pm

Huw, I am thinking about trying it out one morning, do you want to come along with me. Can lock the bikes up in the car and then when we transition to bike we can grab em. I only have one key to the car though, so you will have to wait for me.

Andrew, circuits are dull, I think we should try to make it at least a bit interesting so people actually come back for a bit more. Running and riding around Hillingdon has got to be the dullest idea. Am sure we can think of something better, and ok if you don't like my initial circuit I could try and think of something else. What about doing something that starts at the top of Farthing down? Reckon we could work on a good run course around that area, although will be a bit lumpy and then could jump on the bikes and do a TT route something like out to Merstham, turn left then turn right. Keep going up past the Church, then turn left on a25 and then over the motorway bridge and before you reach Bletchingley you take a left. Keep going down that road and then turn right before the motorway bridge and up that nice hill which would eventually take you back up to Farthing down for your next running leg.

I will see if I can work out how to use that Google map thing again and post a link to some ideas.

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Re: Club Duathlon champs anyone

Postby huw williams » Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:24 pm

I'm a bit tied up at the moment to get down there in the week - but it'd be great if you could do a test - see how long a lap of the running course takes and how long a lap of the riding course takes at medium-pace
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Re: Club Duathlon champs anyone

Postby Andrew G » Sat Mar 07, 2009 4:14 pm

[quote="Marek"]Andrew, circuits are dull, I think we should try to make it at least a bit interesting so people actually come back for a bit more.

I agree Hillingdon is not going to get anyone too excited but my thoughts were based purely on:
a) ease to put on for organiser(s) including any marshaling and back up support needed.
b) open to as many people as possible as this is normally what a club event tends to be based around to dip a toe from where they can take it further if they like it.
c) spectator friendly.

Personally I ain't running unless sprint means 100m so you can all kill yourselves up the wall numerous times if you like. I expect your original loop may have been a touch tongue in cheek for toughness, but if it is too hard then the competitors will most likely be Paul and Carl (who competed in the World Age Group Championships), some strong training group people who run like Sylv and Stu, and then a handful of others who already run and cycle but most likely get their backsides kicked and get stranded on a big strung out road circuit. I think that would be more off-putting than an uninteresting circuit. If it looks like it could take off then it could be moved next year, like the road race champs that moved from Hillingdon to Horne. Making the bike leg more TT than road circuit you could have the runs based around Holmwood (possibly in the National Trust area) with the bike leg on the Holmwood 10 course. Anything like this would obviously need approval though as I'm pretty certain you need clearance for the time and date you want to race on the course from the police.

Also if you don't use a recognised circuit (such as Horne) then are there not implications concerning police permission which may also include time restrictions (both at what time you are allowed to race and for how long you are allowed to run a race on the road), race warning road signs, and various other bits of red tape and paperwork?
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Re: Club Duathlon champs anyone

Postby Snoop Doug » Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:56 pm

This sounds like an interesting idea. Sorry to be a party pooper but I too think it ought to be on a closed circuit from a logistics perspective.

I mean, with the number of helpers we currently have for the ACC RR that's gonna have to be relocated to the Coulsdon South Station car park. If the event proves popular then perhaps the following year we could drop the RR in favour of a duathlon on the open roads? I'm sure that'll have some purists wailing but why shouldn't we shake things up a bit eh?

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Re: Club Duathlon champs anyone

Postby joyce » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:16 am

Yes a good idea.I have a couple of john's trophies that I can re donate to the event.Goblet style just need cleaning.Let me know and I can bring them up for you to see Wednesday.joyce the boss.
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Re: Club Duathlon champs anyone

Postby huw williams » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:36 am

[quote="Snoop Doug"] If the event proves popular then perhaps the following year we could drop the RR in favour of a duathlon on the open roads?


Drop the RR??? No fear - that's the most exciting race of the year - where else would Adam find sufficient helium to further inflate his ego? :D :D :D
No, no, and thrice no, I think the club RR must still take centre stage - I intended this running nonsense as merely a sideshow to the main event, for those few members who are doing the odd duathlon.
Priority should still be the Road Race. The points regarding marshalling/police/insurance etc are leading me further down the lines of closed circuit

So lets re-cap based on what peeps have said so far:

Favorite seems to be a 90 mins event at Hillingdon with no drafting allowed.

Meanwhile, over at the Ashdown Forest, Marek will be doing 17 laps of Kidds Hill circuit on the bike with a half marathon tacked onto either end (and I for one would buy the DVD recording of that) with Mark Locke drafting behind
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Re: Club Duathlon champs anyone

Postby Sylv » Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:15 pm

[quote="huw williams"]So. I've had a request to sort out a club Duathlon championship at the end of the seson and I like the idea.

Mmm let me try guess who the idea came from .. :lol:

Great idea though. Oh dear means I have to take up the mile intervals again .. :o

No drafting. Handicap for women so that we can all race together?
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Re: Club Duathlon champs anyone

Postby Snoop Doug » Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:14 pm

[quote="huw williams"][quote="Snoop Doug"] If the event proves popular then perhaps the following year we could drop the RR in favour of a duathlon on the open roads?


Drop the RR??? No fear - that's the most exciting race of the year - where else would Adam find sufficient helium to further inflate his ego? :D :D :D
No, no, and thrice no, I think the club RR must still take centre stage - I intended this running nonsense as merely a sideshow to the main event, for those few members who are doing the odd duathlon.
Priority should still be the Road Race.


OK - well p'raps I was being a tad provocative. But....for something that's s'posed to take centre stage I'm staggered at how few helpers we've got so far (it was all very last minute in 2008 too). I'm thinking of relocating the event to Majorca :wink:
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Re: Club Duathlon champs anyone

Postby neilb » Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:40 am

My 2p's worth

I'm defo up for it, depending on the date.

The other good thing about non drafting is it's safe to use tri bars or time trial bikes as we woldn't be riding in a pack. If it was draft legal you might need to consider a no tri bars or tt bikes rule or have rules about the design of the tri bars like the elite duathletes / triathletes have just to keep things safe.

I think that a circuit is a good idea as it's easy to marshal and if you do have a mechanical you're not up somewhere without a paddle.

I'm not sure I'd have the energy to look at the scenery if I'm racing :shock: I find breathing hard enough....

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