Wannabe racer.....

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Wannabe racer.....

Postby Dan_K » Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:55 pm

The time’s come that I’ve decided to get a bit more serious about this cycling thing and I’ve decided that I want to get a 4th cat licence and try racing next year.

Currently, I’m 28, 5’10”, 92kg but of a stocky build so reckon I’m 15kg heavier than I want to/should be.

I’ve cut out the booze, bread and am watching what I eat more and am gonna invest in a set of rollers for those wet days when I don’t want to ride outside.

Currently, I can manage 60-70 mile rides but that’s about my limit but I’m hoping that will go up with time.

I’m changing my hours at work so that I get a day off in the week to get a long steady ride in and I’ve devised a basic plan of (which may change slightly depending on my day off that particular week):

Mon – Rest day
Tues – 30-60 mins
Weds – 30 mins
Thurs – 4-5+ hours
Fri – 30 mins
Sat – Club run
Sun – 2 hours

We have a gym at work that I can use so should I substitute one day of riding for a cardio/light weight gym workout?
Should I use weights at all?
What sort of rides should I be doing?
Any tips on nutrition?
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Re: Wannabe racer.....

Postby Toks » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:50 pm

[quote="Dan_K"]
Should I use weights at all?
Er Nope! not unless your planning to be the next Chris Hoy[quote="Dan_K"]
What sort of rides should I be doing?
The less time you have the faster you should ride
Any tips on nutrition? Nope! :lol:
Oh by the way Huw has had pretty good results with some of his clients why not get some proper coaching
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Re: Wannabe racer.....

Postby Marek » Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:40 pm

I am of different opinion to Toks about the weights, I think it can actually help, and is good to exercise other parts of the body to get some all around fitness. There is a book called weight training for cyclists which you can get off Amazon for pretty cheap. This will give you an outline of the benefits etc, and gives you a load of exercises that you can build into your general workouts.

If you want to lose weight and don't mind doing a bit of running I have found that chucking in a couple of run sessions is actually pretty effective at keeping the weight off or even taking it off, which by the looks of your post is what you want to do.

In terms of nutrition cutting out the booze is a good idea as this will cut out a lot of calories, although depends on how much you were drinking before. When I was serious about losing weight I tended to just avoid the naughty things in life and substitute them with fruit. Also avoiding putting butter on things was another thing that I did.

If your going to be increasing your training load my advice would be to do this gradually, if you are going from a low level to a high level then it is better to do it gradually else you may get ill or overtrain (not a problem I have had for a while).

In terms of rides it does sound like you just need to get your base level of fitness up as you will need to be able to ride 60 to 70 miles comfortably. If you can maybe get out for an hour before the club run and make sure you also take in the longer box hill loop on the way home. Otherwise go and find some other longer routes which have a bit more varied terrain. As you move up the categories into some more hillier road races you will be thankful that you have done some riding around the hills. The best way to get good at hills is to ride them. Over winter get comfortable with the longer distance and then Feb/March time start to up the pace a bit by throwing in some intervals, or even start to brave the ACC training group rides. Interval training on hills is very effective as well, I remember someone saying to me the best way to train to go up hills fast is to ride them as if a Lion was chasing you. This will get you used to riding them quickly, if you go out and ride up hills slowly you will just get good at riding up hills slowly, so absolutely nail yourself on them and you will gradually get quicker.

Hope that you find that useful, and good luck, it is great fun.

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Re: Wannabe racer.....

Postby Paul H » Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:27 pm

With the time you have for training, you could become a good 3/4 Cat racer by next year. As Marek said, build up your training slowly to start off with.

As you are starting out, whatever you do will result in massive improvements. Everybody has their own opinion on training and these are my suggestions:

I would get a Heart Monitor to make sure you are training in the right zones. They are also good for racing when you know what your limits are.

4/5 Hour rides are not necessary for building endurance but may be good for losing weight. My longest rides are the CRs.

I would say weights are the icing on the cake and riding the bike should take preference.

Keep a diary of your training.

On the CRs, go in a group that makes you suffer like a dog. If you get dropped, its not the end of the world. Try and get up to the TG group.

If you are trying to lose weight and cutting back on the calories, you may want to have whey protein shakes to make sure you do not lose muscle mass.

Do the type of training you enjoy - you are more likely to keep at it that way.

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Re: Wannabe racer.....

Postby Andrew G » Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:42 pm

Good luck with the training and next season's racing.
[quote="Dan_K"]
We have a gym at work that I can use so should I substitute one day of riding for a cardio/light weight gym workout?
Should I use weights at all?
What sort of rides should I be doing?
Any tips on nutrition?

Weights = can of worms. Some say yes some say no. Personally if you have a gym at work then used as part of circuit training sessions they will probably help more than they hinder. Moderate weights though, no point pushing big weight and developing big muscles in places you don't need them, use them, if you choose to, as added resistance or for toning.

Type of rides = Personally I'm a fan of mix and match - keeps thing interesting. As Marek says, and Robert Millar before him, the way to get better at riding up hills is to ride up hills. Equally the best way to improve you endurance for riding longer distances is to ride for longer, although don't think distance think time and effort. Distance and speed are relative and irrelevant on their own, it depends on the terrain and the prevailing weather conditions. You could average 15s for 5 hours but if it was on a windy day over a hilly route it's a tad different to a calm day on the flat.

I'd agree with Marek too that you should build up gradually, it's very easy to get carried away and do too much too soon, allow your body to adapt and get used to the increased workload you are putting on it. once it is used to it you can jump about between distances and hard/easy effort rides with greater ease without causing any problems.

Some people don't agree but if you have the time (your free day or as again Marek suggests a bit before or tagged on to the end of a CR) then increased riding duration will be a benefit, they'll help endurance and also allow you to maintain a higher cruising speed. I do a fair amount of long steady rides over winter, steady not slow though, a constant effort too not jumping about with hard efforts and then easy. Hard and easy effort rides can also be thrown in the mix for variety and to help improve your speed. I believe a good base allows you to build on top of it, just doing short hard rides is good if all you want to do is short hard rides. It's not all long rides and then you bring in the shorter harder rides later and nearer the start of the season. The CR is a good place to push yourself by moving up to harder groups and it gives you the incentive to push harder to stay there when you have others around you.

Hills are good for intervals on any ride. You can do a predominantly steady longer ride but use the terrain to go hard for intervals on the hills. You tend to put more effort in going up hill anyway so why not just crank it up further?

For speed work a simple exercise is a "Sprint Box". Find a loop thats about 1km - 1mile long preferably a box with 4 corners, and you want it fairly quiet although it doesn't have to be in the middle of nowhere. After a warm up ride a number of laps, say 5 to start with and build up from there. The idea is to sprint out of the corner in a fairly big gear to get up to speed as soon as possible and where you can hold it, then change down a few gears and spin your legs in towards the next corner. Change up to the gear you want before you get there and then repeat the sprint out the corner and so on, and so on, and you just keep repeating it. If done properly it's a tough workout and you should be aiming to keep your acceleration out of the corners and resultant speed the same throughout, not dropping off as time goes on.

Don't be put off by the weather, it's rarely as bad as it looks once you're out in it. Get some good clothes and good lights and you're fine in most weather.

Nutrition = I think the best route is simply a good healthy balanced diet, can't go wrong with that. If you want to lose weight then a proper diet that brings the weight of gradually will be more beneficial in the long term as it tends to stays off better if it's lost more gradually rather than in big hits.

These are my personal views, no doubt others will be different. If folk stick up there's then you can pick and choose which bits you like and what you fancy. I think anything's a waste of time if you aren't going to enjoy it, you won't do it (properly at any rate) so any theoretic gain it may provide will be limited.
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Re: Wannabe racer.....

Postby Dan_K » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:58 pm

Thanks for all the tips and advice guys.

Based on what you've all posted, i'm going to get the HR monitor for my Garmin edge and start a training diary, making a note of my daily diet too.

I think that i'll target some hill intervals and I like the idea of a sprint box. Where I live would be ideal because there a 2 short rises on each side of the "box".

On days when i'm short on time, i'll try a 20-30 minute run but as i'm quite stocky anyway, will lay off the weights at the moment.

As for a coach, it's something that i'd love to have but may have to wait until my base fitness and finances improve!

I'll keep you posted on my progress.

Thanks again,

Dan.

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Re: Wannabe racer.....

Postby Andrew G » Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:11 pm

Forgot to say Dan...

Pedal your bike.

Sounds like a stupid thing to say but the amount of people who spend great long periods free-wheeling is amazing. Use your gears, it's what they're there for, and pedal. A 3 hour ride where you free-wheel 25% of the time isn't a true 3 hour ride is it. Change up gears and pedal down hills, when riding up drags roll the power over as you crest to make a smooth transition to the flat and change up to keep the effort and speed up, don't crest a rise and have a mini break as you gather yourself up again.

EDIT:
Don't forget your recovery rides, looking at the slots you put in your original post Friday would be a good day for them.
[quote] Recovery rides will be at 'village policeman' pace, very slow indeed, and no more than an hour, spinning very easily indeed, with the aim of removing that stiffness from the muscles that even relatively light training seems to provoke. The idea is that it's a kind of massage for the legs.
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