Getting racing fit

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Getting racing fit

Postby ian bradbury 400 » Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:33 pm

Today i attempted my first race at goodwood,Enjoyed it but suffered and only completed 10 laps of 13,2 things are very apparent,1 nowhere near fit enough even for a geriatric,2Total lack of racing knowledge.So with this in mind here are my questions,1Is there any litriture i can get my hands on to help with fitness training and nutrition.2Besides the club run on saturday how many more miles per week to start should i be pushing.3I,VE A RESTING HEART RATE OF 46 BEATS AND MAXIMUM RATE OF 208 BUT A QUICK RECOVERY TO 90 WITH IN MINUTESWHILE STILL CYCLING BUT NOT UNDER LOAD.Anybody who can help with what more i require to improve before i next race in september. :)
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Re: Getting racing fit

Postby Tony » Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:15 am

First thing to say is almost everyone gets dropped in their first race and the fact you enjoyed it is the most important thing. Well done for getting out and having a go (far more than I have done for a little while now). Provided you are basically healthy, have the desire and a bit of common-sense, then there is zero reason why you can't be competitive as 4th Cat.

Roughly, how many hours per week can you afford to spend training? Difficult for any to offer any suggestions without knowing this. Are you basically in reasonable physical condition?
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Re: Getting racing fit

Postby Sylv » Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:39 am

I've got two good books (by E.Burke and Jeudeukreup (spelling?)) that I'm almost done reading, that cover all aspects you might want to know about - nutrition, training, aerodynamics etc, if you fancy borrowing them.

Are you not planning on racing anymore till Sept??
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Re: Getting racing fit

Postby Toks » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:32 am

[quote="ian bradbury 400"]Today i attempted my first race at goodwood,Enjoyed it but suffered and only completed 10 laps of 13,2 things are very apparent,1 nowhere near fit enough even for a geriatric,2Total lack of racing knowledge.So with this in mind here are my questions,1Is there any litriture i can get my hands on to help with fitness training and nutrition.2Besides the club run on saturday how many more miles per week to start should i be pushing.3I,VE A RESTING HEART RATE OF 46 BEATS AND MAXIMUM RATE OF 208 BUT A QUICK RECOVERY TO 90 WITH IN MINUTESWHILE STILL CYCLING BUT NOT UNDER LOAD.Anybody who can help with what more i require to improve before i next race in september. :)
Hi Ian well done on giving racing a go yesterday; I'm glad to hear you're going to give racing another go when you feel a bit fitter. :twisted: I actually reckon if you hung on for 10 of the 13 laps you're not too far away from bunch finish. To be honest with you simply quoting maximum and resting heart rates doesn't really tell anyone a great deal. For example my resting heart rate is 48 beats per minute and my max is 182 (on paper I could be an elite rider or an average 3rd cat) It doesn't tell you much and at least half a dozen people in the club would seriously kick my butt right about now if I atttempted to ride with them. Can I ask some questions?

1. How often do you ride?
2. What percentage of that max could you sustain for say 20-30 mins
3. What happened in the race. Did you sit on wheels/ stuck in the wind etc/
4. What ACC groups do you ride with 16s 17s 19s? If you can stick it out with the 19s you should be ready to do a 4th cat race
5. How about giving a TT ago. Could you hold 20mph for 30mins?
6. Oh and as Sylv alluded why wait till September? It's not as if you got dropped on the first lap. Its only March, I'm sure with more riding/training you'll be ready to race again in June/July? :D


There are quite a few books on cycling training - The Cyclist Training Bible, Smart Cycling, Bike Racing 101 and various book by Chris Carmichael. They are all useful but provide very general advice - in other words not specific to your needs (you'll need a coach for that)

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, for most newbies like yourself thinking of being competitive in sportives, time trials or road racing the best way to get fitter is to...ride more often(or for longer) and gradually increase the "intensity" a bit on some of those rides (via hills, a few minute surges or sticking with faster riders). Good Luck
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Re: Getting racing fit

Postby Andrew G » Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:58 am

The easiest way to help get yourself race fit and improve race savviness(sp?) is in races. The more you do the more you'll learn, and the more race fit you'll become.

Racing, of any sort, is completely different from riding your bike. You have to learn to really hurt yourself and you'll find you can push yourself much harder than you thought. Some people are better than others at it but everyone can improve at it.

Unless there's a particular reason why you can't race until September then have a go in the Palace or Hillingdon Tuesday series (whichever is more convenient for you) when they start up at the end of April. They are a simple and easy way to help you improve if you can do them regularly.
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Re: Getting racing fit

Postby Toks » Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:35 am

[quote="Andrew G"]Unless there's a particular reason why you can't race until September then have a go in the Palace or Hillingdon Tuesday series (whichever is more convenient for you) when they start up at the end of April. They are a simple and easy way to help you improve if you can do them regularly.
Er...I've got to disagree with Andrew about racing at Palace. Its very technical and if you can't survive the friendlier bunches of Goodwood you've got no chance at Palace. It can even be a big jump for 3rd cats who are only used to flat wide circuits.
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Re: Getting racing fit

Postby David.Hilbert » Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:11 pm

[quote="Toks"][quote="Andrew G"]Unless there's a particular reason why you can't race until September then have a go in the Palace or Hillingdon Tuesday series (whichever is more convenient for you) when they start up at the end of April. They are a simple and easy way to help you improve if you can do them regularly.
Er...I've got to disagree with Andrew about racing at Palace. Its very technical and if you can't survive the friendlier bunches of Goodwood you've got no chance at Palace. It can even be a big jump for 3rd cats who are only used to flat wide circuits.

I just about coped with Hillingdon when I raced there a few years ago.....but Palace was another matter. I got dropped almost immediately.
If you can hang on at Goodwood I think you could hang on at Hillingdon . Do a few races there and see how you feel. I think you'd be fine
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Re: Getting racing fit

Postby EdO » Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:23 pm

Ian, I'll be over at Hillingdon on Tuesday evenings and this Saturday. I will try and keep it consistent unlike last year where I did only two and crashed out on the second one. :oops:

Check out the britishcycling events calendar it has all the latest events listed at Hog Hill, Crystal Palace, Hillingdon and Surrey League etc.
Hopefully see you racing some time.

Cheers

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Re: Getting racing fit

Postby Paul on the Pearson » Tue Apr 06, 2010 7:39 pm

Howdy Ian...
Check to see if there are any races at Dunsfold??? It's the site Top Gear use...its pan flat, not technical..no sharp corners, but very very windy. As a circuit its a bit boring, but you ain't going there for the scenery!! I just found it was a great confidence booster as its fairly easy to stay with the bunch and will be good experience riding close to other wheels and getting a bunch finish. If I could keep up there you can!!
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