Training Plan Advice

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Training Plan Advice

Postby Matt W » Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:42 pm

Hi all,

I am coming up to finishing a six week training program and would like to carry on as I feel I am more likly to do a session if it is written down!
I was wondering if anyone thinks I should change, swap, add, remove anything and any general advice on my training programm or anything on getting better at cycling?! :)

Down below is what I have been doing in the last 2 weeks of my training plan:
Monday
Upper Body Gym
Tuesday
Rollers
6 minute threshold
2 minute recovery
6 minute threshold
5minute recovery
15 minute threshold
6 minute easy spin
Wednesday
Lower Body Gym and
Box Hill x4/ or 1hr circuit.
Thursday
Rollers
15 seconds ‘on’ 45 seconds ‘off’
30 seconds on 30 seconds off
45 seconds on 15 seconds off
60 seconds on 60 seconds off
45 seconds on 15 seconds off
30 seconds on 30 seconds off
5 minutes easy spin then repeat
Friday
Rest
Saturday
Club Run, 18mph
Sunday
Sunday Club Runs

I am also looking about going to Herne Hill again this year and joining their training sessions with VCL; aswell as looking into timetrials this year along with the crystal palace races and any other races I can fit in.

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Re: Training Plan Advice

Postby Mohammad L » Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:16 pm

[quote="Matt W"]
Monday
Upper Body Gym

This isn't necessary IMO - you don't want any additional weight up there - you should probably instead concentrate on strengthening your core - gym core exercises are good. You may be able to do it on the bike on the rollers by turning the highest gear possible e.g (53x11), at low cadence ~ 60rpm (just keep your upper body rock still - this will help avoid power leakage)

[quote="Matt W"]
Tuesday
Rollers
6 minute threshold
2 minute recovery
6 minute threshold
5minute recovery
15 minute threshold
6 minute easy spin


You should probably have longer than 2 min recovery period after a 6min thresh (at least 3 min). It is better at this stage to focus on the quality of the intervals by having longer recovery times in between. Giving yourself only 2 mins before another 6min thresh will compromise your performance in that 6 min thresh. As you get fitter, gradually reduce recovery time between intervals.

Good work btw Matt. keep it up
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Re: Training Plan Advice

Postby Toks » Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:56 pm

Are you Gyming to improve your endurance cycling performance or is it to give you a body young ladies desire? If its the first one you really are much better off riding your bike since this is more specific training. However if your planning on being the next Sir Chris Hoy (Track Sprinter) rather than Bradley Wiggins (Endurance Rider) the gym thing is probably OK.
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Re: Training Plan Advice

Postby Matt W » Sat Mar 09, 2013 7:39 pm

Thanks Mohammad, I really appreciate that. Just one question: should I still do a little bit of upper body stuff for the track, or is it still not necessary?

[quote="Toks"]Are you Gyming to improve your endurance cycling performance or is it to give you a body young ladies desire? If its the first one you really are much better off riding your bike since this is more specific training. However if your planning on being the next Sir Chris Hoy (Track Sprinter) rather than Bradley Wiggins (Endurance Rider) the gym thing is probably OK.


I don't know whether or not to do road or track yet. This year i'm going to find out which one i'm better at. As for the gym, I am doing it for the cycling, but a body young ladies desire would be a bonus!!!!! :lol:
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Re: Training Plan Advice

Postby Mohammad L » Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:14 pm

[quote="Matt W"] should I still do a little bit of upper body stuff for the track, or is it still not necessary?


As Toks said, it depends if you want to do endurance track (e.g a 4km pursuit) or sprint track (1-1.5 laps). I don't think a little bit is going to harm you to be honest - it may help bike handling skills during explosive bursts on the track. I personally would recommend core exercises as a strong core will enable efficient power transmission. (If you fancy time trials, you can get a cheap pair of clip-on aerobars (Profile Legacy ZB Aerobars are good solid ones) for your road bike and practise on country lanes).

The important thing is to enjoy whatever you're doing as this is more likely to lend it self to long-term adherence to your training regimes. If you enjoy upper body gym stuff then do it - it also, I guess, adds variety to your training so you reduce the risk of boredom.
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Re: Training Plan Advice

Postby Matt W » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:05 am

[quote="Mohammad L"][quote="Matt W"] should I still do a little bit of upper body stuff for the track, or is it still not necessary?


As Toks said, it depends if you want to do endurance track (e.g a 4km pursuit) or sprint track (1-1.5 laps). I don't think a little bit is going to harm you to be honest - it may help bike handling skills during explosive bursts on the track. I personally would recommend core exercises as a strong core will enable efficient power transmission. (If you fancy time trials, you can get a cheap pair of clip-on aerobars (Profile Legacy ZB Aerobars are good solid ones) for your road bike and practise on country lanes).


Thanks, I'll probably start to focas on my core then. I think I like time trials from whatching them (I never actually done one before) so getting some clip-on aerobars would be good... now I just have to save up!

[quote="Mohammad L"]If you enjoy upper body gym stuff then do it - it also, I guess, adds variety to your training so you reduce the risk of boredom.


I don't really enjoy getting up at 5am to get to the gym in the mornings so may give it a miss!! :lol: (except for core exercises which I may look into).

Do you recommend I replace the gym with somthing else (if so what?) or just leave it?

Thanks in advance,
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Re: Training Plan Advice

Postby Keith » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:07 am

Matt, your profile says that you "Want to become a national rider by the end of 2014".

If you are serious about wanting to be very successful in cycling, rather than it just being a hobby, I'd reiterate what others have said about getting some professional coaching advice. Making it up as you go along with a bit of input from a few of us random forumites isn't likely to lead to national success.

[quote="Matt W"]
.... so getting some clip-on aerobars would be good... now I just have to save up!

You don't need aerobars to start time-trialling. Yes they'll let you achieve a faster time sometime in the future, but they won't teach you the essential skills of pacing & training. You can start time-trialling next weekend (or the weekend after if you allow for event closing dates) with just your standard road bike.
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Re: Training Plan Advice

Postby Mohammad L » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:57 am

[quote="Keith"]
getting some professional coaching advice


+1.

Matt, I didn't realise you had extremely high aims - in that case you should, as others have suggested, consult a professional cycling coach asap who would guide you to your goals.

And Keith is right with respect to getting aerobars. It isn't necessary in order to do TT - Keith is the fastest at tt on a standard road bike without any aero aids (apart from a specialized aero bottle and nano shoecovers...not to mention a natural aero road position :wink: ).

If you fancy, there are two fairly local 25 mile time trials around the corner.:

Sunday 7th April : G25/47 Redmon CC (this course uses some of our club 10 time trial roads) ( deadline date 26th March 18:00 hours)
Sunday 28th April : G25/53 Addiscombe CC (This is our club promoted 25 mile time trial - so you'll see a lot of ACC folk here!) (deadline date 16th April 18:00 hours)

Both can be entered via Internet Entry. Just go to [url]https://evententry.ctt.org.uk/[/url]. Also, as Andrew G has said, your parent will have to sign a consent form because you are young

Good luck!
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Re: Training Plan Advice

Postby Mohammad L » Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:11 pm

Also, forget to mention if you fancy a fairly hilly 21 mile time trial, this one is even closer to you (it's in Bletchingley). Deadline is 12th March (tomorrow) and you can enter here online : [url]https://evententry.ctt.org.uk/[/url]

See this if interested: [url]http://www.addiscombe.org/members/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14303[/url]

btw this is the course : [url]http://sussexca.org.uk/index.php/courses/40-open-courses/359-gs334-bletchingly-circuit[/url]
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Re: Training Plan Advice

Postby Matt W » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:08 pm

[quote="Keith"]getting some professional coaching advice
[quote="Mohammad L"]consult a professional cycling coach asap

I would love to get a professional cycling coach but money is a problem. If you know anyone who would be willing to coach me for free, that would be a bonus!!
I don't suppose you know who I could contact for some advice if not coaching?
I have already asked Huw Williams and John Scripps who said to get some good solid training in, work on my weaknesses and get lots of race experience in. Huw also added about going to Herne Hill which I will be.

[quote="Keith"]You don't need aerobars to start time-trialling.
[quote="Mohammad L"]Keith is right with respect to getting aerobars. It isn't necessary in order to do TT

Okey doke, it will take me a while to save up anyway, let alone buy them!! :lol:

[quote="Mohammad L"]Also, forget to mention if you fancy a fairly hilly 21 mile time trial, this one is even closer to you (it's in Bletchingley)

Cool, I have already entered this one; Phil H recommended me to try it out.
I might look into the others aswell.

I really appreciate all your help as usual,
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Re: Training Plan Advice

Postby Andrew G » Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:12 pm

If you want any info about local TTs, courses, info,etc feel free to drop me a pm Matt. I know a lot of the local courses and quite a few of the promoters so may be able to help point you at what you may favour..sporting I.e. Hillier and more lanes based, or dual carriageway bashing. It would be best to discuss things with your mum first so that she is happy with what you are doing and any type of racing or courses she wouldn't be comfortable with you racing on. If you or your mum want any info about courses, traffic levels or type then let me know.
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Re: Training Plan Advice

Postby Matt W » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:43 pm

Thanks very much Andrew. I'll be sure to contact you when I have any queries about the TT's.
My mum doesn't mind too much where I race as long as I am safe and I know what i'm doing.

I really appreciate all the help,

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Re: Training Plan Advice

Postby Phil H » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:23 pm

[quote="Matt W"]Thanks very much Andrew. I'll be sure to contact you when I have any queries about the TT's.
My mum doesn't mind too much where I race as long as I am safe and I know what i'm doing.

I really appreciate all the help,

Matt W

The G53 course is a fairly busy dual carriageway and has a lot of roundabouts. And a couple of long drags that I really hate. H25/8 is a safer course but a bit of a trek - it's the other side of Farnham.

I believe to get a junior BBAR rating you need to set a time at 10 and 25 miles. Also IIRC, there is a club junior 25 trophy.

I notice that, according to the book, the ACC open 25 is a BBAR qualifying event.
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Re: Training Plan Advice

Postby Andrew G » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:05 pm

[quote="Phil the Pie"]The G53 course is a fairly busy dual carriageway and has a lot of roundabouts. And a couple of long drags that I really hate. H25/8 is a safer course but a bit of a trek - it's the other side of Farnham.

I believe to get a junior BBAR rating you need to set a time at 10 and 25 miles. Also IIRC, there is a club junior 25 trophy.

I notice that, according to the book, the ACC open 25 is a BBAR qualifying event.


- ACC 25 is a BAR event for juniors and women (25s aren't in the BAR for men)
- Junior BAR is awarded based your average speed over 2 x 10miles and 2 x 25 miles and is awarded for boys where their average speed is 22mph or greater.
- G53 is DC but personally I don't think it is busy as we have to race on it early morning, certainly if you are starting in the first hour of the event then it is quiet. H25/8 is busier for traffic flow in general (a lot of afternoon events and morning ones start much later than in our G district) and the DC is reduced to SC in a couple of places by hatching.

At Matt's age I wouldn't worry about a fast course and chasing PBs as they will come as you develop and get older. If you want to test yourself against the clock Matt then you'd be fine sticking with local G district courses. They are not the fastest and some are a bit draggy or sporting but they will allow you to develop an all round ability and (some G courses are rather lumpy!) repeat visit to enable you to guage your performances against each other.
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Re: Training Plan Advice

Postby Jon H » Thu Mar 14, 2013 4:53 pm

Matt, if your ambitions are at national level, I wouldn't focus too much on time trials if I were you. By all means given them a go, but focus on track and road racing which is where the BC talent team hang out.
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