Training help

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Training help

Postby tel » Wed Jan 15, 2014 2:26 pm

I would like some opinions from the coaching types on the forum.

I think that maybe age might be catching up fast.

Although I can roll around on the flat at an acceptable speed, when it comes to a hill it is becoming an embarressment.

I`ve tried doing repeats of Box but that doesn`t seem to work.

I`m reluctant to try any gym work but would obviously consider it but I much prefer my bike as a training mode.

Thanks in anticipation.

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Re: Training help

Postby Paul H » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:12 pm

How about building strength on the bike e.g. 10 x 30secs 2mins rest

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Re: Training help

Postby Phil H » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:21 pm

Paul, aren't you a qualified coach now? Do you have special rates for your loyal clubmates? Want to buy an ad on the website?
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Re: Training help

Postby Paul H » Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:26 am

I'm not qualified or want to do coaching.

Happy to give advice though :D
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Re: Training help

Postby tel » Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:48 am

Paul

Just seen your post-will factor in your session.

Thanks for your advice.

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Re: Training help

Postby Antloony » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:47 pm

I'm the same as you Tel. I just blame it on having the wrong muscle type and being big boned :D
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Re: Training help

Postby Dominic » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:32 pm

[quote="Paul H"]How about building strength on the bike e.g. 10 x 30secs 2mins rest

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Why is that better than longer efforts? Is it because it will be flat out?
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Re: Training help

Postby Paul H » Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:17 pm

The are not better - it depends on what your limiters are.

If you do these in a big gear and low cadence (if your knees are ok) it should build leg strength. Longer intervals will be more aerobic.

You can do a power test again to see what your limiters are if you like :)
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Re: Training help

Postby Dominic » Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:36 pm

[quote="Paul H"]

You can do a power test again to see what your limiters are if you like :)


That sounds like a challenge :lol: I'm sure they won't be that different from the last time you tortured, sorry tested me. Only that I am a lot unfitter!
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Re: Training help

Postby Toks » Sun Feb 02, 2014 10:07 am

[quote="tel"]I would like some opinions from the coaching types on the forum.
Hey Tel, I'm not a coach but I'll have a go :wink:
[quote="tel"]
I think that maybe age might be catching up fast.
No way mate,you're still a youngster. Check out this fella: http://www.chicoer.com/ci_25039221/this ... y-might-be
[quote="tel"]
Although I can roll around on the flat at an acceptable speed, when it comes to a hill it is becoming an embarressment.
Hmm... are you sure? I reckon if hills are clearly slowing you down and you haven't turned into a porker you may well not be as fit as you previously were. Don't forget in the right 'conditions' its easy to think you're whizzing along on the flat (20-22mph) and in reality you're only putting out a mediocre 160-180- watts
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Ive tried doing repeats of Box but that doesn`t seem to work.
You don't need me to tell you that to get fitter/faster/develop more power you'll need to increase one or a combination of the following: Duration (ride for longer - 4,5 hours?), Frequency (ride more often -, 4,5,6 times per week?), Intensity (ride harder - intervals/training group/hill repeats/ 2x 20's etc) and Rest (possibly, are you doing too much?). Putting those things together in some sort of plan is where a coach would earn his/her money.
Perhaps the biggest thing to consider is MOTIVATION. You've got to really commit to these session/workouts/rides and usually you need to do it for at least 6-8 weeks before you see some improvement to your fitness levels. Assuming you're riding them at slightly about race pace those Box Hill repeats are pretty tough and I for one have never been able to commit to them for longer than a couple of weeks. Some Research suggests the gains to be made for older riders (VO2max improvements) are quite small but that might be all ya need.
There are many ways to skin the training cat! If you were to push me on it I think for time crunched cyclists - threshold efforts/TT pace of 15-30mins twice per week are absolutely invaluable. We're all different and we all respond differently the intervals Paul suggest I'm not personally a fan of but lots of people swear by them so knock ya self out. Remember the old adage though - if you do the same old training you're gonna get the same old results. So there ya go I look forward to hearing that your now doing
2 sets of 2 x 20's a week
1 ride with the 20mph/training group per week
70 mile ride per week on the front with the Over The Hill Gang


Whatever you do the main thing is to enjoy riding ya bike so forget everything I've said :lol: :lol:
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Re: Training help

Postby tel » Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:42 pm

Toks

Hoping I was going to hear from you. Probably just need a kick up the rear end.

Will let you know how things progress next month.

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Re: Training help

Postby tel » Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:42 pm

Toks

Hoping I was going to hear from you. Probably just need a kick up the rear end.

Will let you know how things progress next month.

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Re: Training help

Postby Toks » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:40 pm

Hey Tel, no problems mate. Lets be honest its not easy trying trying to push yourself every season. Good luck with training - try something different if things have got stale - give it six weeks and see. Here somethings you could try -
Find New Training Partners
A new challenge - sportives perhaps?
Ride for 30 minutes with the training/fast group
Increase the number of 10's you normally do for a couple of months
Do a long ride and incorporate 20-40 mins as a TT effort
Try spinning class
Intervals: say 5 efforts of 3-5 mins slightly above TT pace with the same period of rest; 2 x 20 intervals
Friendly Fast tempo Ride 2hrs at 18/19mph
Long ride with 1 mnute hard as you can and easy for 4 minutes do this till ya knackered and go home
30 minute TT effort then do club run or the other way around
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