Keith Lea's LBP test 06-10-08

[Robh]

Hi everyone,

Just finished testing Keith and he's allowed me to share his results....Great chatting to you whilst you were holding a perceived effort of 8.

Lets have a bit of fun then and guess Keith's LBP and watts @ LBP.

Here's some clues...

On the test using respiratory rate and Spo2 I found Keith's crossover point for STF/FTF @ 140bpm.

Keith HR @ percieved effort 8 was 184.

Watts @ 140bpm was 200W.
Watts @ 184bpm was 297W.

So his LBP is?
His LBP watts is?

Byeeeeeeee

[Sylv]

160
235 then 210

chatting @ 184bpm?! What's his max?

[Robh]

[quote="Sylv"]160
235 then 210

chatting @ 184bpm?! What's his max?

[Keith]

[quote="Sylv"]What's his max?

[Robh]

There's a trend starting here with the training group...Poor recovery line. 80 watts drop for Keith...

I have another member from ACC being tested tomorrow who rides hard all the time.

[Antloony]

I quite fancy having this test done Rob, will have to wait till I've shaken of this chest infection I've got though. Will be interesting to see the results as I think I've made good progress doing what I'm doing compared to others around me who do more but achieve less. Be nice to know if its just down to the way my body works and has adapted so well in the last year to finally getting some exercise or its just a fluke and I've peaked and I wont progress anymore.

Like Kieth I would imagine my recovery rate will be poor due to smoking on and off for the past 20 year and damaging my lungs.

[Robh]

Sure no probs Ant...

I'm fully booked for this month, 2 this week, 3 next week etc.... So it would have to be November.

Please note this test is for anyone not reserved just for the road racers...It will be good to test from both ends of the spectrum..Beginneers to Elites.

Rob

[Robh]

Well Done Sylv!

Will let Keith comment on his results, welocme to the world of FaCT testing :-

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[Sylv]

oh didn't realise the 80w drop was @ 140bpm, thought it was at LBP - that's only 23 then?

& let's not forget Keith is 12% heavier than me

[Robh]

[quote="Sylv"]oh didn't realise the 80w drop was @ 140bpm, thought it was at LBP - that's only 23 then?

& let's not forget Keith is 12% heavier than me

[Michelle]

So what do the results mean for Keith.

His LBP is very high, and this is the highest Lactic Acid reading you have taken at the highest HR on the 1st part of the test. Does this mean he is very tolerant to lactatic acid. Does it also explain his ability to push really really hard and just keep going? (I know that part of it is his mental attitude...)

It also means, I would have thought, that he can train his BI STF at a much higher intensity than the rest of us. I can't see him and Marco going out on rides together.

Do tell

[Robh]

[quote="Michelle"]So what do the results mean for Keith.

His LBP is very high, and this is the highest Lactic Acid reading you have taken at the highest HR on the 1st part of the test. Does this mean he is very tolerant to lactatic acid. Does it also explain his ability to push really really hard and just keep going? (I know that part of it is his mental attitude...)

It also means, I would have thought, that he can train his BI STF at a much higher intensity than the rest of us. I can't see him and Marco going out on rides together.

Do tell

[Robh]

I sent this to Keith this morning :-

Limitations :-
Poor recovery line, if I compare with Slyv you too also have a 50W drop. I took you down 45 beats inintially instead of 40 like I usulally do, that's why yours is 80W to begin with.

Low upper BI-STF zone. We found your crossover point @ 140, long term your looking at bringing this closer to you LBP.

Breathing was stable for the most of the test until the very end @ HR 184 where you lost diaphrgam motion. Practice the diaphragm breathing and this will help later on at the higher end of the HR scale.

[Robh]

I forwarded the following question for Sylv :-

Do you think the differences in results in the recovery could be due to different person's perception of a "8" on the scale of "10"? Or wanting to do as well as you can at the risk of riding to say a 9? Keith's LBP figures are better than mine but recovery poorer. Do you check for a correlation between max HR and HR @ level 8? Saying that if Keith was able to chat @ 300w he was probably doing ok at that rate.



From Andrew Sellars :-

Yes, you do need to be careful about comparing recovery lines between two different people, having taken them to their own perceived 8/10...however, we use the green line as an indicator of recovery, not an absolute measurement of recovery. So watch for the changes over time, and the ability to recover from similar wattages in future tests. As Mike's results show, he can now ramp up over 400 watts, and recover quickly even at 280-300...so a dramatic improvement not achieved by "threshold work", but by constant attention to structural training.

It is good to have some results from solid riders on the books, if only to show how the test can be used to guide training, rather than proving that it can find the good riders...Focus on the test as an individual assessment, and overlap only to show potential differences that can explain what they are noticing on the road. It gets easier once you have a rider you have directed and stays with the program and then achieves the changes you expect. If the changes don't occur, it is most likely that they have NOT followed the program, rather than the program not being well conceived. If you are surprised by the results after a given time period of training...give them three days of rest, and retest them.

[Sylv]

I knew you would Rob - thanks

So Michelle, did you know Keith was bi? (Stf)