Long term results - LBP training

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Re: Long term results - LBP training

Postby Sylv » Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:35 pm

does Paul think Robh is TT Rob who did the 12h?
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Re: Long term results - LBP training

Postby Paul H » Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:12 pm

[quote]Well Join if your not


Im trying to give ACC members an alternative view on training

[quote]Don't know enough about Sylv & Keith...Need to do more tests and trends and see how they react.


Perhaps you shouldnt have said Sylv "has destroyed his oxygen dependent system" then.

[quote]There's a trend starting here with the training group...Poor recovery line. 80 watts drop for Keith


With the exception of PVT, everybody had a large wattage drop. The above statement implies that it is something to do with the Training Group. Why didnt you just say there is a trend?

I was wondering if Stu was the last person you tested.

Sylv - I was wondering about Rob in the 12hr TT. I thought it would be intersting to see what his power output was but that Rob is quite a bit bigger than you.
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Re: Long term results - LBP training

Postby Robh » Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:55 pm

Paul..

Please read what you wrote again?

Who wrote "destroyed oxygen dependant system? "A.Sellars wrote not RobH...Look at the thread.
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7882&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

Who wrote "Interesting trend about the drops being seen?" RohH wrote this...Look at the thread.
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7940&start=15

Just proves a point that you are too quick too judge.

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Re: Long term results - LBP training

Postby Robh » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:14 pm

Yes your giving another opioion based on the Aneroic threshhold model.

What does Aneroibic mean?

Anaerobic is a technical word which literally means without air (where "air" is generally used to mean oxygen), as opposed to aerobic.

Well muslces are never without oxygen look at the pretty picture I supplied on the other thread.

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Re: Long term results - LBP training

Postby Antloony » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:20 pm

Why don't you two have a race and who ever wins means their selected method of training works better than the others. :D
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Re: Long term results - LBP training

Postby Paul H » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:22 pm

[quote]Who wrote "destroyed oxygen dependant system? "A.Sellars wrote not RobH...Look at the thread.


You posted the comment. Most of your stuff is copied. Do you stand by that comment?

[quote]Who wrote "Interesting trend about the drops being seen?"


Again you singled out the Training Group why is that?

Please, Please answer my questions. You never know I might be swayed.
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Re: Long term results - LBP training

Postby Paul H » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:26 pm

[quote]Anaerobic is a technical word which literally means without air (where "air" is generally used to mean oxygen), as opposed to aerobic.


Anaerobic is when you produce energy without oxygen it doesnt mean the muscles are working with no oxygen. As intensity increases, more of the energy is produced anaerobic.
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Re: Long term results - LBP training

Postby Paul H » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:28 pm

[quote]Why don't you two have a race and who ever wins means their selected method of training works better than the others


Glad you are enjoying the posts
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Re: Long term results - LBP training

Postby Robh » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:30 pm

[quote="Paul H"][quote]Who wrote "destroyed oxygen dependant system? "A.Sellars wrote not RobH...Look at the thread.


You posted the comment. Most of your stuff is copied. Do you stand by that comment?

[quote]Who wrote "Interesting trend about the drops being seen?"


Again you singled out the Training Group why is that?

Please, Please answer my questions. You never know I might be swayed.


I'm learning so I'm trying to collect data and understand what's going on Paul.

Andrew is helping me out and that's his opinion not mine.

No singling out just intrigued by it...If I test then again I might not see the same trend...Or anyone else. Stay tuned.
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Re: Long term results - LBP training

Postby Robh » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:34 pm

[quote="Paul H"][quote]Anaerobic is a technical word which literally means without air (where "air" is generally used to mean oxygen), as opposed to aerobic.


Anaerobic is when you produce energy without oxygen it doesnt mean the muscles are working with no oxygen. As intensity increases, more of the energy is produced anaerobic.


There's always oxgyen. See diagram again...

The three energy systems work in combination.

The amount of each system used to produce the required energy varies with :-

1) Intensity of workload

2) Duration of exercise

3) Available resources
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Re: Long term results - LBP training

Postby Paul H » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:18 pm

Thanks Rob - I agree with your comments about aneorobic.

Last question

[quote]Don't know enough about Sylv & Keith...Need to do more tests and trends and see how they react.

I'm learning so I'm trying to collect data and understand what's going on Paul.


Taking account of the above, would you recommend that people you have tested use the training levels you prescibed based on one test? i.e. Keith STF 107-140
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Re: Long term results - LBP training

Postby Antloony » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:21 pm

[quote="Paul H"][quote]Why don't you two have a race and who ever wins means their selected method of training works better than the others


Glad you are enjoying the posts


I am Paul, its heavy going trying to keep up at times but its interesting hearing both points of view on the matter as I myself know sod all about training and therefore am genuinely interested in both methods as a possible source to doing some serious training over the winter, something more constructive than just my 'one ride a week and see how fast I can go with the training group' which as you know is where Im at at the moment, although it doesn't seem to have done me any harm so far in my pursuit of getting faster and fitter.
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Re: Long term results - LBP training

Postby Paul H » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:30 pm

Blimey - if you are only doing one ride a week then we should all watch out.
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Re: Long term results - LBP training

Postby Robh » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:38 pm

Thansk Paul...

Oui...then come back in 6 weeks to assess.

What I would do but people don't have the time is I've have them ride a @ LBP-20 for 2hours on the turbo, then hour LBP-10, then LBP and record what the body is actually doing to give me a better picture what's happening with their bodies.

I'm doing it all the time experiminting e.g -monitoring my breathing on the bioharness and seeing what my 02 sat is doing taking less and less fuel each week at the weekend to see how long I can go on my 4hr LBP-20 rides before I crack.

It's all about playing and trying new ideas and seeing how your body works and you've already said your tuned into your own body.

The LBP test is just a snap shot and it's an ongoing assessment programme to adjust training so they are seeing what works and doesn't.

Their first LBP test is a baseline....All very new to me and interesting.
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Re: Long term results - LBP training

Postby Antloony » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:46 pm

[quote="Paul H"]Blimey - if you are only doing one ride a week then we should all watch out.


Ah I've heard that a few times of various people now, maybe I've found something I can get good at with the right training and mental approach. Now you can see why I'm interested in this thread, I have the time on my hands to train at 4 days a week so its a case of just finding out the right way to go about it and selecting the right method that will help me on my way to winning races :D
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