The key component to Road Racing: LT?

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Re: The key component to Road Racing: LT?

Postby Robh » Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:56 am

Juerg,

During your 15 years of testing I know you played around using Ketone & Ammonia strips. How did you use them and how did they help with training? Do you still use them today with your athletes?

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Re: The key component to Road Racing: LT?

Postby Paul H » Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:59 pm

[quote]Paul you are right. Using LBP - 20 or any number is about the same "bad"idea asusing % of max. H and or Max .Wattage.
15 years back wehad no better solutions, but using LBP and than - some HR beats.


Well I agree with the first bit

[quote]Burning Fat needs more O2 thanburning glucose.
So we believe, that just on the place where we switch this physioloical reaction may be the best stimmulus forthat particular idea( overload ) just above the level where we see thsi trend. (Overload of O2 useas apotential stimmulus of mitochondria development due to relative hypoxia )


Fat may burn more O2 than glucose but surely your burning more O2 in total at higher intensities?
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Re: The key component to Road Racing: LT?

Postby Juerg FaCT » Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:59 am

Paul that is true , and it is a big part of the discussion in weight loss programs.
1. Do I try to
loose more overall cal. and therefor go more intense, where the % of fat is actually lower, but I still burn more due to the overall intensity.
or
2. Do I try to develop a structural change so I have at the end more muscle fibers, which have the property to burn fat more efficient.
This is the ultimate question and as you see it ends up again in functional reaction versus structural change.

thesecond questio after te above is:
Using more oxygen : does that stimmulate more fat burning as a stressor or does that means , that , becasue there is a higher demand on O2 the body will switch and search for an energy source, wich is able to produce the ATP fast enough, as thedemand goes up.
So if I stress a system higher, so the body has to try to find energy delivery systems, which can supply good enough , and that energy system is mainly glucose, than the question is out ther: What do I stress:
a) the bodies ability tobe more efficient in glucose supply or in Fat supply.
The follow up question is : What is the better stressor for mitochondria development Glucose supply improvement or fat energy improvement.
Where do I burn fat and what do I need in addition to fat to supply ATP ( O2 )
So where do I burn glucose, and what can I do if the O2 supply drops.
In the fat case if O2 supply drtops I can switch to glucose and O2
In the glucosesupply if O2 drops I go to more oxygen independent energy production.
So the question: Where is a higher chance , that I may stay in the O2 and mitochondrial energy production ?
Thansk Paulgood questions and this are the fundamental questions we discussed with over 600 exercise physiological specialsist . Result : more questions and very little answers.
Take care and have a good upcoming week.
PS I appreciate the fact tobe able totalk on here andgive my opinion thanks so much
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Re: The key component to Road Racing: LT?

Postby Marky Mark » Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:01 pm

Juerg your swenglish is very good but I advise you oil your space bar :wink:
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Re: The key component to Road Racing: LT?

Postby Juerg FaCT » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:10 am

he he I tried with oil ( olive oil and later hemp seed oil ) did not work, so I think it is my brain right thumb co-ordiantion late in the day,
But will try to write after an intense workout , so I can use my tongue for the space bar.
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Re: The key component to Road Racing: LT?

Postby Marky Mark » Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:32 am

[quote="Juerg FaCT"]he he I tried with oil ( olive oil and later hemp seed oil ) did not work, so I think it is my brain right thumb co-ordiantion late in the day,
But will try to write after an intense workout , so I can use my tongue for the space bar.

werry goud Jeurg.

When typing too fast the lactate build up in your arms. Breath through your nose and slow the typing down by 5%, I find this helps.

Glad I could help :D
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Re: The key component to Road Racing: LT?

Postby Juerg FaCT » Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:21 am

[quote="Juerg FaCT"]When typing too fast the lactate build up in your arms. Breath through your nose and slow the typing down by 5%, I find this helps.



hmmm Mark I am not sure , but it seems you are wrong. Rob just published on the FaCT Forum a research ( based on 1 case) , where Dr. Coggan states, that changing RPM from 70 - 120 does not have any effect on the workout. So whether I typ every few seconds one letter or 120 / sec ( never will be able ) it does not matter on my metabolic involvement as it seems.
If I go 100 watt and try to pedal 60 or 140 RPM it is still 100 watt and has no training effect on power or what ever. The HR you can neglect , as your goal is 100 watt. The change in metabolic reactions you can negelect as well as it is still 100 watts. So no problem here to have a too high lactate and even if I should be high in lactate it is a great energy source to keep coming back.
Now even more interesting if I do the 70 RPM and 120 RPM on the FTP ?
See possible outcome on your Forum , should Rob take the discussion from the FaCT Forum over to the club forum. Cheers and thanks , it is nice to have ggod freinds all over , who care about my health. :oops:
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