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by **John the old'un** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:58 pm

[quote="Sean Hogan - ä½•ç¥¥"]
Next year should interesting indeed.

by **Toks** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:13 pm

[quote="Marky Mark"]Can 'speed' be classed as a zone?

by **Marky Mark** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:35 pm

[quote="Toks"][quote="Marky Mark"]Can 'speed' be classed as a zone?

by **Toks** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:45 pm

[quote="Marky Mark"][quote="Toks"][quote="Marky Mark"]Can 'speed' be classed as a zone?

by **-Adam-** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:48 am

Ok here is my short concise position on this skirmish, er, i mean debate.

While I agree zone training has it's place, and generally in the reigimes of those with 10+ hours per week available bike time. I believe that weekend group rides is not the best place to ride in these kind of restrictive zones.

My reasoning for this is that for the most part, religiously sticking to a heart rate is simply un-realistic. I agree that theoretically hours and hours at a set pace will allow for these so called structural gains. And it is an important part of my regime as a young rider, in that I need to develop an engine that will see me right in the next 10-20 years. However, the ability to ride in a group is also of vital importance. For a lot of people the Saturday clubrun is the only time people do this, therefore the time should be use to hone this skill, not drift off the back of a group to maintain an HR. Holding wheels, riding steady and predictably, being able to thru'n'off etc etc, are all vital skills that we all need to practice and improve at.

The second part to my position is that when you ride a sportive, or a race, you will not hold a steady HR. There will be times when you can barely breathe, and other times when your floating along like Alberto Contador. This ability of your body to react and cope with surges and down times will, in my opinion, be diminished by constantly sticking to the exact same HR. Though I do understand that fact advocates about a 80-20 balance in favour of restricted HR time to higher intensity riding, I think that for most people this is simply un-realistic. Would a 40-40-20 theory not make more sense, Rob? Jeurg? Paul? Toks? i.e 40% of time at LBP -20 (for arguments sake), 40% of time at LBPish (riding in a group and reacting to a variable pace) and 20% of time doing more concentrated ''speed work'' (cranking up the thru'n'off perhaps, or turbo time).

Not to mention the afore mentioned social aspect to riding in a group with your mates...

Any thoughts?

by **Juerg FaCT** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:16 am

General question:
1. Is speed a question of Time or actuall km/h ( point A to point B)
2. is speed a question of CNS co-ordination
3. is speed a question of power
4. Is speed a question of relaxation. ?
Thanks to Toks suggestion I keep it short

by **Toks** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:43 am

[quote="Juerg FaCT"]General question:
1. Is speed a question of Time or actuall km/h ( point A to point B)
2. is speed a question of CNS co-ordination
3. is speed a question of power
4. Is speed a question of relaxation. ?
Thanks to Toks suggestion I keep it short

by **Robh** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:49 am

[quote="-Adam-"]Would a 40-40-20 theory not make more sense, Rob? Jeurg? Paul? Toks? i.e 40% of time at LBP -20 (for arguments sake), 40% of time at LBPish (riding in a group and reacting to a variable pace) and 20% of time doing more concentrated ''speed work'' (cranking up the thru'n'off perhaps, or turbo time).

Any thoughts?

by **Toks** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:13 am

[quote="-Adam-"]

While I agree zone training has it's place, and generally in the reigimes of those with 10+ hours per week available bike time. I believe that weekend group rides is not the best place to ride in these kind of restrictive zones.