Idiots guide to FaCT

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Idiots guide to FaCT

Postby MattI » Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:37 pm

Hi,

Can someone please explain, in simple layman's terms, what this FaCT system is, how it works and what are the advantages over other training methods.
If someone could do this without recourse to either Swenglish or copying and pasting vast tracts of text from some obscure forum/web site, I'd be most grateful.

thanks
R
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Re: Idiots guide to FaCT

Postby Robh » Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:52 pm

FaCT philosophy :-

1) understand phsyiology
2) use proven testing to help identify weaknesses
3) develop training that specifically addresses the weakness
4) retest to measure progress and effectiveness of the program
5) share the ideas with others
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Re: Idiots guide to FaCT

Postby Robh » Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:02 pm

The talk of LBP-10, 20 etc....is Juerg's own ideas and has nothing to do with the FaCT test which stands for Feldmann & Cheblek Test (now Trend).

If you start to use Juerg's own personal ideas the talk of structural training and functional training terms pop up.
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Re: Idiots guide to FaCT

Postby Robh » Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:07 pm

FaCT was never sold to me as a better system I was bought into the idea as I wanted to learn more about how my body fucntions after spending 7 years using a powermeter.

I now have another tool at my disposal.
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Re: Idiots guide to FaCT

Postby Michelle » Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:17 pm

Rob Said
[quote] I now have another tool at my disposal.


:shock: :shock:
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Re: Idiots guide to FaCT

Postby Toks » Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:25 pm

[quote="Ramanujan"]Hi,

Can someone please explain, in simple layman's terms, what this FaCT system is, how it works and what are the advantages over other training methods.
If someone could do this without recourse to either Swenglish or copying and pasting vast tracts of text from some obscure forum/web site, I'd be most grateful.

thanks
R
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: It can't be done. Rob's just a serial paster and gets narked if you push for clarity. I'd love him to stick his neck out and make a good fist of comparing and contrasting with established thinking or indeed put things in his own words. Sadly he just isn't brave enough, doesn't want to or doesn't really understand it himself.

I'm sure Juerg is a wonderful chap but he doesn't seem to do the following three words very well: short, clear and concise. Perhaps its a scientific cult and too much clarity is just bad for publicity. I mean imagine... someone might realise they've taken the term term "lactate threshold" that has been around for donkey's years and dressed it up in new clothes and called it "lactate balance point". :shock: :shock: Cool huh? Shhitt I'm gonna get together with Paul and Marek and start a new training cult. I haven't thought it through yet but the first thing we'll do is change LBP (Lactate Balance Point) to LDL "lactate dividing line" and we'll define all our terms and make nice comparisons with established thinking. No!! on second thoughts that sounds far to sensible and a bit too transparent :D :D
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Re: Idiots guide to FaCT

Postby Keith » Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:33 pm

Toks,

I appreciate that you disagree with Rob's opinions, but I think that a personal attack is out of order.

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Re: Idiots guide to FaCT

Postby Andrew G » Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:47 pm

Harsh Toks, and you've done your fair share of pasting in the past. Play nicely :x .
[quote]FaCT philosophy :-

1) understand phsyiology
2) use proven testing to help identify weaknesses
3) develop training that specifically addresses the weakness
4) retest to measure progress and effectiveness of the program
5) share the ideas with others

Not clarity? :?

As someone who frequently gets called a Luddite all the acronyms that crop up in various forms of training aren't exactly clarity personified. With any of them, terms used (by yourself included) like lactate, threshold, STF etc unless you've studied them to some degree, either for qualifications or simply through personal interest don't trip off the tongue or explain themselves too readily. This is particularly so as the general nature of the philosophies tends to lend themselves to a sort of business speak type jargon.

A name for the new programme : Short High Intensity Training :lol: - Only a joke :roll: .

I probably don't understand fully but LBP training seems to be similar in some respects to LSD (Long Steady Distance) for building an endurance base, except that it is based on riding at an even heart rate rather than an even (steady) effort. I think the idea is that as you train over time you would raise your LBP point or produce more power for the same LBP so can ride at a higher intensity for longer. Probably got that completely wrong though :lol: .
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Re: Idiots guide to FaCT

Postby Sylv » Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:03 pm

I think it's just high time that people here who haven't actually physically met did so - either on a ride or behind a pint. The forums can be a weird place, and if I hadn't
known them personally prior to that, some of the stuff - both Toks and Rob - have written in various posts could make either of them sound to me like a bit of a :evil: . I'm sure those that know them too would agree it's not the case.

Toks- I think the ball stands in your camp in that respect mate :)
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Re: Idiots guide to FaCT

Postby Robh » Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:54 pm

Toks,

I have to be brave everytime I answer/post a post these days as I have you personally attacking me all the time now. I'm sorry but a smiley face after one of your posts to me doesn't diffuse the situation.

I took 2 courses in lactate testing not in physiology and have told everyone on this forum I'm learning. I am thick skinned enough to ignore you blatant attacks but there will become a point when I will take it personally.

For now I will laugh it off but I hope the moderators will nip it in the bud before you get out of control.

Have a good season.

All the best Rob
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Re: Idiots guide to FaCT

Postby Toks » Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:31 pm

[quote="Keith"]Toks,
I appreciate that you disagree with Rob's opinions, but I think that a personal attack is out of order.
Keith
Keith I don't think I've personally attacked Rob. I've possibly been a little bit harsh because I've found some of his posts a bit a frustrating. After close to 50 posts under the FaCT banner he's been asked to explain/defend things on numerous occssion by quite a few posters and in my opinion he hasn't done that.. Anyway I'll accept that I offended you, Rob and perhaps some others so I'll appologise to you all now and lay low for a while. Sorry dudes
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Re: Idiots guide to FaCT

Postby Antloony » Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:49 pm

Yes Toks, you get to your room where you can stay and think about what you've done. When your sorry you can come back downstairs and sit quietly with the grown ups untill you learn how to behave in a proper manner. Oh and no going out to play on your bike either. :D
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