FaCT clear and simple

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Re: FaCT clear and simple

Postby Juerg FaCT » Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:14 am

Rob , take Mark's FTP test over 40 min , check his lactate he had there. Move him down so he has only 4 mmol lactate ( if you can do that ) and now check his wattage. Now take Dr. Coggan's scale and zoning sheet.
( Zone 4 threshold which would be , where the FTP 100 % is located. Now compare the wattage he can push by having 4 mmol in the blood and what he pushes, where he was really on the FTP test.
2 and 4 mmol ( I remember somebody telling me , that we use 1970 east german ideas , Mader) I found that very interesting , as we are far away from the idea, that lactate with absolute numbers actually are usefull for any thing but using lactate strips. As much as we are far off the idea , that lactate threshold is still a term used. ( see Robergs , Brooks, Gladden , Kratz and more ).
Does step length will change the wattage and HR values by 2 or 4 mmol , Try it out and you will be surprised.
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Re: FaCT clear and simple

Postby Robh » Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:42 am

Shame I didn't take more lactate points for Mark on Wednesday this week. I know his lactate was 2.7 @ HR 135 and around 9mmol @ HR 173. The HR figure of 173 is suppose to be his LT HR according to Coggan from the literature I've read in the past.

If LBP as has been suggested to be the same as LT then Marky Mark's HR's for both should be very similar?

Mark's LBP = 145bpm and Mark's 45mins LT test = 173bpm.

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Re: FaCT clear and simple

Postby Marky Mark » Mon Nov 03, 2008 4:49 pm

Did somebody mention my name?

You'll have to let the scars heal before I do that again Rob, only kidding.
As I mentioned to Juerg, I found I can do a really long turbo session (90 minutes) if I get off half way through to physically go and get water. It helps alot.

I can hear the words of Sylv ringing in my ears with his quote of, "I remember looking down and thinking, only another hour to go" :lol:

I'm still reading these posts, not that I understand most of it. I get the jist just (try saying that when you've had a drink :lol: )

I had a comfortable ride home in the rain on Saturday, I ignored the LBP-20 and just went home with a steady group.

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Re: FaCT clear and simple

Postby Marky Mark » Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:01 pm

[quote="Sean Hogan - 何祥"]I have often thought that this thread title is an [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxymoron]Oxymoron[/url] if ever there was one. :)

Many collected lists of oxymorons are available, for example at oxymorons.info and atlantamortgagegroup.com

I'm glad you cleared that one up for me Sean. Was your school expensive? :lol:
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Re: FaCT clear and simple

Postby Marky Mark » Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:15 pm

[quote="Sean Hogan - 何祥"][quote="Marky Mark"]

I'm glad you cleared that one up for me Sean. Was your school expensive? :lol:



Very, but only in a spiritual sense ;-)

I'm a good catholic boy, though my strict adherence to a high cadence rhythm method clearly didn't work in Feb 2007 8)

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Re: FaCT clear and simple

Postby Marky Mark » Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:49 pm

Light hearted and made even simpler! :wink:

Ok I was bored :lol: :lol:

[img]http://www.gaiaherbs.com/images_prod/LactateSupport60.gif[/img]

[img]http://www.howieenduranceproject.com/_newsletters/2005/_images/glycolysis_blood_lactate.gif[/img]

[img]http://images.asia.ru/img/alibaba/photo/50530097/Calcium_Lactate.jpg[/img]

[img]http://thegearjunkie.com/images/1098.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.exrx.net/Store/HKImages/LactateThresholdTraining.jpg[/img]

I even found Juerg and gang
[img]http://www.fact-canada.com/Juerg-Kyle-Herb.jpg[/img]

From the ear? :shock:
[img]http://www.lactate.com/images/sample_lactate_ear3.jpg[/img]

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/95/Citric_acid_cycle_noi.png/400px-Citric_acid_cycle_noi.png[/img]

[img]http://www.bodyagefitness.ca/site_assets/www.bodyagefitness.ca/images/dynamic/LOGO2.jpg[/img]

Back to work for me now :arrow:
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