FaCT Clear and Simple .....part 2

[MattI]

Ok, forgive me for starting yet another thread on FaCT, but Juerg's FaCT Clear and Simple thread unsurprisingly was neither clear nor simple and has degenerated into a PhD thesis on Oxyhemoglobin Dissociation Curve and it's inverse relationship to the UCP3 and UCP2 messenger ribonucleic acid.

Ok, let's see if I've got this as far as the methodology is concerned:
You do the high tech test with lots of laptops, projectors and other highly impressive technical stuff that Rob likes so much and then he will put all the numbers produced in a big pot and pull out one which will give you a heart rate to train at...it seems to normally be LBP-20.
Why -20?
Why not train at LBP or LBP-5 or LBP+8?

Then, in a few weeks/months you go back, pay Rob more cash and he does another super impressive high tech test, probably with even more graphs and numbers, to see....errrr... if your biomarkers show improvement?
Basically does this mean that for the same watts your LBP has gone up a few bpm?
Then what?
You carry on training at LBP-20, which will be a slightly higher HR but still very low?

So, do you keep having to go back to Rob and get tested every few weeks/months to see if you can change your training range? If I was being cynical, I'd say that this was a nice little arrangement for the tester, since it's not a one-off thing. Punters keep having to go back.

Putting my cynicism aside for a moment, how does this help racing form which is all about threshold and above performance i.e.top end stuff?

[Robh]

I seem to be a hot topic of late.

Here's a deal I will let you test me Ramanujan and you can get a feel how easy it is to do the test? You will need about 2.5hrs of your time, 2hrs for the test and then 30mins plugging in the results into the software and creating the PDF's then I will pay you £30 which if your lucky depending how many strips are used you will make between £15-20.

No one is being asked to return to get retested. This is not my job it's a hobby I took on for myself only but decided to share it with the members @ ACC which at the moment seems to be more grief than pleasure lately.

You have 3 options Ramanujan :-

1. Buy yourself a power meter and do a FTP test like I did on Marky Mark this week which lasts for an hour if you do it probably and then retest yourself when ever you want. You will get sort of similar results to the LBP test.

2. Come and see me to get a test and decide for yourself if you want to be retested at a later date.

3. Buy yourself a lactate Pro meter and I teach you for a fee how to do the Basic level I FaCT test and then you can do it on yourself as many times as you like.

Rob

[Juerg FaCT]

[quote="Ramanujan"]Ok, forgive me for starting yet another thread on FaCT, but Juerg's FaCT Clear and Simple thread unsurprisingly was neither clear nor simple and has degenerated into a PhD thesis on Oxyhemoglobin Dissociation Curve and it's inverse relationship to the UCP3 and UCP2 messenger ribonucleic acid

[MattI]

Hi Rob,
Sorry if you took my post as a criticism. I was just having a little fun with you, that’s all.
Whilst the gist of my post was slightly tongue in cheek, I did have several questions, all of which I’m sure ,are probably beneath you. However, they were legitimate questions.
Just for the record, I am interested in this FaCT stuff and really do want to get an overview of it and yes Marco, I’m interested in the FaCT protocol and not Rob, per se.
Rob/Juerg, I counted seven question marks in my original post. Care to comment without cutting or pasting huge swathes of technical research?
Oh...and Juerg, please don’t leave us.
I for one, have found your posts really entertaining, even if I don’t understand 60% of them. I’m doing my best to lean Swenglish. It would be great if you could stick around . I’ve enjoyed the headaches. Honestly!

thanks,
Ramanujan

[quote]Why -20?

[MattI]

[quote]LBP-20 is in the Basic Intesity Slow Twitch Fibre zone (BI-STF).

Using Resp rate & Sp02 on the level II test I try to find the cross over point for STF (Slow Twitch Fibres)/FTF (Fast Twitch Fibres). Some people's cross over points have been less than LBP-20.

You train in the BI-STF zone to stress the slow twitch fibres for structural gains.

[Robh]

One thing to remember is HR is a good guide to tell you whether you are doing structural vs functional training for the cardiovascular system but not necessarily whether you are doing structural training vs functional training for the other systems. Confused? Join the club only joking....

There's one long term 3 year study done in German that Juerg has quoted in the past plus his own personal data he has collected over the last 15 years.

Anymore questions of this study and of his own findings you will have to ask Juerg personally but you will have to go to his forum for that as I believe he won't be joining us here again I'm afarid.

Rob

[Paul H]

[quote]And the reason that you do this is because if you use only fast twitch fibers, you're not making any structural changes to the muscles when you train...

[Michelle]

Also, as I understand it, the body is more likely to break down doing the higher intensity stuff, that's why the STF fibre stuff is better. Stu for example, was nothing but sick this year, and all he did was go out and ride fast. And I didn't fare very well on a diet of purely interval and sprint training and going hell for leather on the club run.

[Sylv]

[quote="Robh"]Anymore questions of this study and of his own findings you will have to ask Juerg personally but you will have to go to his forum for that as I believe he won't be joining us here again I'm afarid.

[quote="Sylv"][quote="Robh"]Anymore questions of this study and of his own findings you will have to ask Juerg personally but you will have to go to his forum for that as I believe he won't be joining us here again I'm afarid.

[Paul H]

[quote]Stu for example, was nothing but sick this year, and all he did was go out and ride fast

[-Adam-]

[quote="Paul H"]Stu for example... strongest ACC rider in the handicap series (stronger than Adam as well?).

[MattI]

[quote]One thing to remember is HR is a good guide to tell you whether you are doing structural vs functional training for the cardiovascular system but not necessarily whether you are doing structural training vs functional training for the other systems

[quote]Just out of interest and to be clear, what are the other systems?