A week in 'training'

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Re: A week in 'training'

Postby Jon H » Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:36 pm

If it's an open-water swim then practice swimming in a wetsuit; I've never been in one, but from what I understand it makes you more bouyant so alters your position in the water slightly, and if it doesn't fit right it can restrict your arm movement and screw up that stroke you've just perfected.

Don't forget to practice the transitions too, as you can lose loads of time struggling to get out of the gimp suit.
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Re: A week in 'training'

Postby mlocke » Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:38 pm

That will all come nearer the time I think though i do plan on doing this

Some time soon I would liek to try some Brick sessions -maybe run in hyde park after the commute or something
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Re: A week in 'training'

Postby -Adam- » Fri Mar 27, 2009 2:44 pm

[quote="Andrew G"]Just get the miles in and eat flapjack :wink:


You see that's the sort of wisdom this forum needs more of.

[quote="mlocke"]The socks

Black is the new white! 


NO.
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Re: A week in 'training'

Postby Ivor » Fri Mar 27, 2009 3:32 pm

[quote="mlocke"] I still feel the effects of the injury from last August most days after doing some form of exercise be that Swimming, Running or Cycling.

oh dear. it's annoying how long bodies take to mend. :(
[quote="mlocke"] I hate taking the train and it saves me nearly £7 a day which I can use to buy other things.

there you go! you can get the cake with that!!!
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Re: A week in 'training'

Postby Michelle » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:40 pm

Seriously though Locky, I may be preaching to the converted here, but ever think you may need some help with that 'old' injury like physio or osteo or something? It sounds like it's turning into a chronic one IMHO.
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Re: A week in 'training'

Postby huw williams » Fri Mar 27, 2009 4:50 pm

[quote="Michelle"]Seriously though Locky, I may be preaching to the converted here, but ever think you may need some help with that 'old' injury like physio or osteo or something? It sounds like it's turning into a chronic one IMHO.


I agree - seems to me that injury has been dictating your life/riding/training for too long. You'd be better off getting it sorted then thinking about racing/triathlons. Better to take a few months off now and sort it than risk a lifetime of nagging injuries early arthritis pains? Whaddya say?
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Re: A week in 'training'

Postby Ben » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:12 pm

Always take others people's advice and then ignore it, even if it's correct. Then you have nobody to blame but yourself.

Only you know what's good for your body. So you need to work this out, pain being a signal. If it helps, you can lose a lot of blood each day but as long as you don't turn anemic, you'll be fine.
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Re: A week in 'training'

Postby mlocke » Fri Mar 27, 2009 5:23 pm

I had physio for about three months

During this time it got massively better but over christmas I lost the routine of going

I wouldnt say it is painful anymore its just that I am aware of it (my leg feels weak around the hip)

the physio did some really horrible massging for those months, twice a week, which he said got rid of some horrible lumps in my back and legs.

This is part of the reason that I am doing pilates because the physio said its now just a matter of stretching and strengthening to improve it and ensure it doesnt return. Also I think the running and swimming is helping as he did also say to do some cross training and not just biking as this will strenthen more musles around the joint and make it more stable

All that said though I do plan to visit again shortly to to get another assessment and see how the last few months have affected it though
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Re: A week in 'training'

Postby Andrew G » Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:10 pm

Yes Mark leave the turbo alone. They are the tool of the devil.
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Re: A week in 'training'

Postby Graham O » Fri Mar 27, 2009 6:14 pm

[quote="mlocke"]That will all come nearer the time I think though i do plan on doing this

Some time soon I would liek to try some Brick sessions -maybe run in hyde park after the commute or something


Confused. Is this running round hyde park whilst carrying a brick....please explain benefits. I know its handy for a northerner as its always useful to be able to 'leg it away from tescos after nabbing a crate of beer'...

I with everyone else. Quality better than quantity. I have been riding three times a week for much of this year, which is far less than last year when I was commuting (perhaps 100 miles per week rather than 150). I reckon I am enjoying cycling much more and am just as fit if not fitter...

Right now, I am doing chaingang on tuesday, ride on my own on thursday and club run...Thats It...
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Re: A week in 'training'

Postby mlocke » Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:09 pm

Your not far off Graham but it has to be a nice Bitter though.

A brick session is running straight after being on the bike. I've not done it yet but its supposed to be tough
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Re: A week in 'training'

Postby Toks » Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:24 pm

[quote="mlocke"]
The weights

I think one or two go the wrong end of the stick with regard to the weights. They are on my bike, under my seat post and another at the front. Both are on my heavier commuting bike. My theory behind this is that a heavier bike would make riding generally harder so that when I get back on my lighter racing bike the ‘training’ effect of being on the heavy bike with additional weight would be felt.

Ok well I'm glad to hear the weights aren't on your ankles but the question still remains? Is it event specific training? Clearly not. As I've suggested
you're most likely putting out the same effort and riding slightly slower. If you want to train harder - ride faster. Simple. Training doesn't need to be complicated and unless you've got got loads of training time available totally event-specific. And by the way, I know you didn't say but just in case you were wondering strength isn't the key component when it comes to endurance cycling. But don't get me started on that one :roll:
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My Goals
Secondary target is Palace and trying to do as well as possible
Come on mate that 'goal has got 'it-doesn't -really- matter-how-well-I do-vibes-about-it'. Put your cards on the table and make your 'goal' more quantifiyable.How about...

1. Ride with the bunch for 6 laps
2. Ride with the bunch for 10 laps
3. Finish with the bunch
4. Get a top 15 placing etc
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Re: A week in 'training'

Postby mlocke » Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:42 pm

[quote]you're most likely putting out the same effort and riding slightly slower


I'm not riding slower with the weights on. I was in the 19's before the weights on my racing bike which is lighter. I am now on my heavier commuter, with slime in the wheels and an extra few kilos in weights. With this I am still in the 19's and still putting in my turns at the front. I agree that if I were riding slower then there would be no point in adding the weight.

[quote]strength isn't the key component when it comes to endurance cycling

Maybe not. I think there are lots of pther things that come into play such as tacticts, poisitioning and technique. However I do think that the basic raw power needs to be there in order for you to be in a position for the others to come into play. As I think I said earlier I refuse to believe that riding a heavier bike will not increase my power as I have been doing this for a couple of weeks and have noticed that it is more difficult. If not why would people looking to build strength use progressive loading? If I can get up a hill on a bike that is twice as heavy as those around me and do it in the same amount of time surely when I use a bike that is lighter I will ride up that hill quicker than those around me or I will find it easier? To me this is basic logic?

[quote]Put your cards on the table


Fair enough although cards have been shown in describing in quite a bit of details what I have been up to and what I would like to do. However I accept your point and I would like to achieve:

- Finish the triathlon in a respectable time. What respectable is yet I dont know as my swimming still has some way to go before I will be able to complete it
- With regard to Palace I dont see why I shouldnt aim for the top or atleast as close as I can so I would like points this year. I have thought about racing at the 'easier' races such as hillingdon but Palace is where I started and feel that I need to prove to myself that i can do it.

Anyway, I think that is pretty qantifiable and to the point?

Must say too that I am quite enjoying findin out peoples opinions on this and quite like the fact that a few of you think I am a bit nuts but it would also be good to hear a few other peoples ideas?

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Re: A week in 'training'

Postby Marek » Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:07 pm

I think what they are saying is instead of riding same pace with weights maybe ride faster without the weights, but I do agree that riding a heavier bike does have benefits when you get onto your racing bike, it works for me.

There are other advantages to riding with the faster group, for example you will get more of a feel as to what its like riding fast in a group and on the hills etc you will be pushed out of your comfort zone.

Cheers

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Re: A week in 'training'

Postby mlocke » Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:32 pm

The problem that I have is if I move to the training group I will not be in control of how quick the group goes. Given my injury problems I need to progression to b more gradual so by staying in the 19's and adding weight to make it harder I can control more as you know the 19'a wont be going much quicker than that.

In a few months once the injury has healed more (its getting better all the time) and I am more up to speed I would consider jumping up a group.

I dont think that moving up groups on the club run is the answer to all the training needs.
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