Using a Turbo in the summer

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Using a Turbo in the summer

Postby Graham O » Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:33 am

All,

Interested in some advice. This year I have changed my cycling a little. Last year I used to do loads of commuting, whereas this year I am sticking to 3 rides per week in my own time. I am doing the the club run and rides on a tuesday and thursday.

Anyhow to my point. Over the winter, I started using a indoor trainer, just doing some simple reps. Once I found a way to overcome the boredom, I found it was very easy to make sessions progressively harder.

I basically built up to doing 5 mins off (in a lower gear) and 5 mins on (in a higher gear) four times. Once I got good at this I started to increase the on time and reduce the off time. Didn't get too far with this last bit this year but there you go.

Anyhow, since the evenings have started to get better I have been going out on rides. I did the trainer again last week and noticed that I couldn't do the same level as before, so had got less fit. This suggests that trainig on the turbo is much more effective.

Do people generally continue to use the turbo in the summer ?

If I start using the turbo again, my three sessions would be as follows.

1) Saturday Club run - hard as I can go (usally 3 - 4 hour riding)
2) Tuesday - Training ride for 1.5 hours going as fast as I can go. This generally leads to periods of going fast following by periods of recovering. Hopefully races at palace some weeks.
3) Thursday - Turbo

Target would be hogs hill / crystal palace and maybe a time trial...

Any thoughts ?

Ta,

Graham.
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Re: Using a Turbo in the summer

Postby huw williams » Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:15 pm

[quote="Graham O"] Anyhow to my point. Over the winter, I started using a indoor trainer, just doing some simple reps. Once I found a way to overcome the boredom, I found it was very easy to make sessions progressively harder. I basically built up to doing 5 mins off (in a lower gear) and 5 mins on (in a higher gear) four times. Once I got good at this I started to increase the on time and reduce the off time. Didn't get too far with this last bit this year but there you go.

[color=#0040FF] :D This is the key to good training (especially on the turbo), it's called progressive overload. So you're thinking on the right lines. Try and go further with it. [/color]
Anyhow, since the evenings have started to get better I have been going out on rides. I did the trainer again last week and noticed that I couldn't do the same level as before, so had got less fit. This suggests that trainig on the turbo is much more effective. Do people generally continue to use the turbo in the summer ?
[color=#0040FF]Don't panic. if you've done no training on the turbo for ages you can't be expected to be so good at it. You'll soon get back in the groove and show improvements. The more serious riders' get about training, the more they'll use training aids such as turbos because it's easier to control and monitor the progressive overload. For example "hard as I can go (usally 3 - 4 hour riding)" doesn;t mean a great deal as one week the ride might be much harder than another, depending on your state of recovery and who else is in the group (although this is still a good session and should be continued). Turbo sessions allow you much greater control over the intensity (especially if you use HR/Power as a regulator. Rider's aiming to peak for the traditional summer season will be using turbos to add speed and power work into their training now as the main part of the season approaches and many do indeed keep using them through the summer, but not too often if there's a lot of racing going on. [/color]

If I start using the turbo again, my three sessions would be as follows.

1) Saturday Club run - hard as I can go (usally 3 - 4 hour riding)
2) Tuesday - Training ride for 1.5 hours going as fast as I can go. This generally leads to periods of going fast following by periods of recovering. Hopefully races at palace some weeks.
3) Thursday - Turbo

[color=#0040FF] Thursday could be a very specific progressive overload session on the turbo which would add a bit of structure and you'd have in the region of 6-7 hours per week of high intensity riding there, which is more than enough to get you round Hog Hill/Palace quite quickly if used correctly. I won't suggest any specific turbo sessions without knowing what kind of level you're already riding at which would give us an idea of what you need to do to improve, but if you're interested PM me and we'll put you through the mangle :twisted: [/color]

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Re: Using a Turbo in the summer

Postby Toks » Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:25 pm

[quote="Graham O"]I did the trainer again last week and noticed that I couldn't do the same level as before, so had got less fit.

Er... not necessarily.As Huw hinted it takes a few session to adapt or re adapt to turbo training. Also I've read that quite a lot of people actually deliver less watts (power) on average when riding the turbo than when out on the road [quote="Graham O"]
This suggests that trainig on the turbo is much more effective.

In can be that depends on how your training. Last year I worked really hard on the turbo but didn't pay much attention to cooling (large fan). My efforts I feel were compromised by over heating which made things harder than it would've been outdoors
[quote="Graham O"]
Do people generally continue to use the turbo in the summer ?

Only if I have to. In general come summer time Kylie (Kurt Kinetic Trainer) and I rarely date. :wink:
[quote="Graham O"]
If I start using the turbo again, my three sessions would be as follows.

1) Saturday Club run - hard as I can go (usally 3 - 4 hour riding)
2) Tuesday - Training ride for 1.5 hours going as fast as I can go. This generally leads to periods of going fast following by periods of recovering. Hopefully races at palace some weeks.
3) Thursday - Turbo

Target would be hogs hill / crystal palace and maybe a time trial...
Any thoughts ?

With only three sessions a week you need to be working at least moderatley hard in all your rides. The turbo is a very effective tool but at this time of the year unless your training time is very very limited get out on the road and ride hard gawd damn it :twisted: :twisted:
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Re: Using a Turbo in the summer

Postby Graham O » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:09 pm

[quote="Toks"]
With only three sessions a week you need to be working at least moderatley hard in all your rides. The turbo is a very effective tool but at this time of the year unless your training time is very very limited get out on the road and ride hard gawd damn it :twisted: :twisted:


I'd say that for the moment, I don't want to do much more as it would knacker my family life.

Its interesting what you say about power on the turbo. The one thing that I would say about the turbo is that its easier to concentrate on going hard for a defined period of time. I think that riding on the turbo is like riding up a very steady incline on the road in that the rolling effect of 'being on the road' is reduced. As a result, I reckon I am working harder.

I do have a crap turbo trainer mind, so this may have something to do with it. I also don't use a hrm at present.
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Re: Using a Turbo in the summer

Postby Toks » Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:13 pm

[quote="Graham O"]

I'd say that for the moment, I don't want to do much more as it would knacker my family life.
Oh I agree family and work must come first :D
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