Club Run Saturday 20 Nov 2010

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Re: Club Run Saturday 20 Nov 2010

Postby Antloony » Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:14 pm

Well here's a brief report from me.

Bit of a late arrival at CSS, pulled up just as the 19's were pulling out so jumped on the back of the group for what was to be a nice gentle ride to the cafe. Good steady pace all the way. New guy in green was a bit of a nightmare, nice chap, strong rider but boy he needs to learn how to be aware of whats going on around him and ride in a straight line. Had a good chat to him along the way about group etiquitte and how things work though he still needs to observe and learn to keep his line and place in the group but he'll get there and be a good addition to the faster groups.

The group split, 5 or so going off for a T&O, the rest of us heading the quick way for the cafe. Took a long one for the sprint uping the speed a looong way out, a little bit to much of upping the speed as I dropped all but one coming up to the sign, quick dig and job done though :D

Had a quick go on Geoffs new Felt with the new Shimano DI2 gears....wow smooth or what, you dont even know its shifted gear, very nice. was tempted to ride home on it and never to be seen again :lol:

Back out of the cafe after tea and cake and it felt like winter had arrived while we'd been indoors. Keith was shivering away as we left, I'd had enough of being cold and increased the pace to warm myself up expecting him and maybe a few others to follow suit. Looked around after a few hundred yards and I was on me own...oh well, kept going anyway putting in a few miles on my tod. Quick regroup at the usual and it was off again. Easy pace at first heading towards the Merstham drag. Stuck to Dave K's wheel like poop to a blanket while he dug in a couple of times towards the top. I hit the front at starbucks and dragged the remainder of the group which was just 4 inc Dave back towards CSS where we had a short but enjoyable tow behind a double decker :D

Good ride, legs felt good, fingers crossed for more of the same as very little knee pain at the mo.
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Re: Club Run Saturday 20 Nov 2010

Postby Alan M » Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:41 pm

Ok so back to the ride - bored with publicising Sportive now! So had intended a 17mph on fixie but saw a small 18 group leaving in the capable hands of metronomic Mark and decided to try my luck. It was a nice group, a bit fast at times but OK. I always intended to head off at Partridge so pinged off the front on the way up to the turn off and stayed there except for one follower. I had forgotten the necessary spanner for my fixed wheel so tried to hang with Steve on his new retro fixie but his gearing was higher and strength greater so I dropped back but found groups to ride with. Fixed wheel riding is quite demanding in both stamina and attention and I certainly felt I'd had a work out by my return. Good ride but uninviting weather.
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Re: Club Run Saturday 20 Nov 2010

Postby PeteS » Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:56 pm

Sorry I was late yesterday :oops: , not a mechanical but I took a bit too long reading the map as I was planning a new route, thanks to all for waiting.
9 of us set off into a rather murky day with one of the usual lung burners (Farthing Downs) to get us all in the mood. We took a nice quiet route to Tulleys where the only problem was choosing from the vast array of cakes. The extra loop took us down into Ardingly with the nasty little climb up from the reservoir; then, a left and a right down a fearsome double arrowed lane before climbing back up the other side. After a regroup and a wait for a puncture, we took the lane down past the 2nd reservoir of the day Weirwood, then another little climb up to East Grinstead. It's really hard to get back from there without being on busy roads but after Lingfield there's a lovely little lane past the school which we took up to Haxted Mill. Two more nasties to go with Tilburstow then the final climb back to Chaldon where Conor's Garmin told us we'd climbed 4,600 feet on the ride.
We have had some of the best rides all year in the past three weeks with lots of different faces and some strong groups. It's noticable that some of the "weaker" riders have really improved and whereas we used to wait at many hilltops now there's no excuse as everyone keeps up!
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Re: Club Run Saturday 20 Nov 2010

Postby Rob Q » Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:36 pm

[quote="PeteS"]Sorry I was late yesterday :oops: , not a mechanical but I took a bit too long reading the map as I was planning a new route, thanks to all for waiting.
9 of us set off into a rather murky day with one of the usual lung burners (Farthing Downs) to get us all in the mood. We took a nice quiet route to Tulleys where the only problem was choosing from the vast array of cakes. The extra loop took us down into Ardingly with the nasty little climb up from the reservoir; then, a left and a right down a fearsome double arrowed lane before climbing back up the other side. After a regroup and a wait for a puncture, we took the lane down past the 2nd reservoir of the day Weirwood, then another little climb up to East Grinstead. It's really hard to get back from there without being on busy roads but after Lingfield there's a lovely little lane past the school which we took up to Haxted Mill. Two more nasties to go with Tilburstow then the final climb back to Chaldon where Conor's Garmin told us we'd climbed 4,600 feet on the ride.
We have had some of the best rides all year in the past three weeks with lots of different faces and some strong groups. It's noticable that some of the "weaker" riders have really improved and whereas we used to wait at many hilltops now there's no excuse as everyone keeps up!


Sounds like a great ride, but it would have been a lot better if I was there ;-). Hope you are all well??
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Re: Club Run Saturday 20 Nov 2010

Postby jon avery » Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:48 am

[quote="Rob Q"][quote="PeteS"]Sorry I was late yesterday :oops: , not a mechanical but I took a bit too long reading the map as I was planning a new route, thanks to all for waiting.
9 of us set off into a rather murky day with one of the usual lung burners (Farthing Downs) to get us all in the mood. We took a nice quiet route to Tulleys where the only problem was choosing from the vast array of cakes. The extra loop took us down into Ardingly with the nasty little climb up from the reservoir; then, a left and a right down a fearsome double arrowed lane before climbing back up the other side. After a regroup and a wait for a puncture, we took the lane down past the 2nd reservoir of the day Weirwood, then another little climb up to East Grinstead. It's really hard to get back from there without being on busy roads but after Lingfield there's a lovely little lane past the school which we took up to Haxted Mill. Two more nasties to go with Tilburstow then the final climb back to Chaldon where Conor's Garmin told us we'd climbed 4,600 feet on the ride.
We have had some of the best rides all year in the past three weeks with lots of different faces and some strong groups. It's noticable that some of the "weaker" riders have really improved and whereas we used to wait at many hilltops now there's no excuse as everyone keeps up!


Sounds like a great ride, but it would have been a lot better if I was there ;-). Hope you are all well??

No Rob that was why it was a great ride :D You know I'm only kidding, hope you are enjoying OZ.
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Re: Club Run Saturday 20 Nov 2010

Postby Jon C C on a Bianchi » Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:55 pm

[quote="Antloony"] New guy in green was a bit of a nightmare, nice chap, strong rider but boy he needs to learn how to be aware of whats going on around him and ride in a straight line. Had a good chat to him along the way about group etiquitte and how things work though he still needs to observe and learn to keep his line and place in the group but he'll get there and be a good addition to the faster groups.


Yeah, I rode behind him on the way back - strong and very untidy but he'll learn.

To be fair Amy did try to talk him into going with a slower group and to my shame I didn't give her support. I was concerned that the 17s probably wouldn't have a VC with them.

First time out with a group no faster than a 17 - get the basics right before stepping up to the faster groups. I thought that was the rule. Trouble is by that time we were sorting out the groups, it was too late and he clearly was intent on riding with the fast boys. I'm not sure how we could have prevented it bar wrestling him to the ground. :lol:

I don't know who he came with (if anyone). ACC Club run etiquette expects that new riders are introduced to the Captain, if he's not there to the VCs. Had that been done we could have talked to him and explained the situation.
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Re: Club Run Saturday 20 Nov 2010

Postby Amy » Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:47 pm

[quote="Jon C C on a Bianchi"]I don't know who he came with (if anyone). ACC Club run etiquette expects that new riders are introduced to the Captain, if he's not there to the VCs. Had that been done we could have talked to him and explained the situation.


He was alone, he was and I did - at least the bit of the code of club run as to how the ride is conducted. I only mentioned the bit about the minimum speed when he stepped up to the 19s.

[quote="Jon C C on a Bianchi"]To be fair Amy did try to talk him into going with a slower group and to my shame I didn't give her support. I was concerned that the 17s probably wouldn't have a VC with them.


I was trying to remember who was standing there with me at that time as I had expected a bit of back up- but as you say we can't really stop people and he had said he had ridden in a group before. I suppose 'rule' is a bit of a hard word to use - advisory is more like it.

And anyway, with Captain Ant giving him the once over, I should think he'll learn. Wish I was faster as I have no qualms shouting at people if they do things like suddenly freewheel in front of me on a hill or jump about in the group... :oops:
I will then of course explain what they did and why it's not a good idea in a group... Funny, I'm only bolshie on the bike :shock:
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Re: Club Run Saturday 20 Nov 2010

Postby Antloony » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:23 am

[quote="Amy"]And anyway, with Captain Ant giving him the once over, I should think he'll learn. Wish I was faster as I have no qualms shouting at people if they do things like suddenly freewheel in front of me on a hill or jump about in the group... :oops:
I will then of course explain what they did and why it's not a good idea in a group... Funny, I'm only bolshie on the bike :shock:


I did get a tad vocal at one point when people on the front were free wheeling down hill and the rest of us were bunching up quite badly at the back....guess who's fault it was :lol: We were all new comers once, takes a couple of rides to get into things properly. Hopefully he has a better understanding of how we like things to be done in ACC land.

I think that a shout out should be made for any newbies to make themselves known rather than wait for them to step forwards. This way we'll get to identify them and take them to one side and explain how things work etc. After all they don't know who the VC's are. Just my thoughts on the subject.
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Re: Club Run Saturday 20 Nov 2010

Postby Amy » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:46 am

Can be a bit hard to spot a newbie - I do find that quite often I'll ask someone if they're new and they reply that they've been out a couple of times already.

One giveaway that I find, though, is that they're there at CSS early or on time :lol:
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Re: Club Run Saturday 20 Nov 2010

Postby Tim Coales » Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:16 am

[quote="Antloony"]I think that a shout out should be made for any newbies to make themselves known rather than wait for them to step forwards. This way we'll get to identify them and take them to one side and explain how things work etc. After all they don't know who the VC's are. Just my thoughts on the subject.


You're right and Amy and I often do that - she's usually (always?) there before me :wink:

We (the VC's) are trying to improve our co-ordination and communication for the benefit of everyon'e ride. it's a delicate balance sometimes as demonstrated by various opinions already expressed here (ie which group should a unknown rider go with).

I think the key thing is that in each group that goes off, even if there's not a VC, there should be someone who's identified as the group leader by those within the group on that day. That way, if there are any issues (anything from road closures, someone turning back early, a spill, or a new rider not quite with it) they can be taken in hand and everyone made aware, rather than it become a "everyone for themselves" situation. I know things are a bit different in the TG, as the riders are that much more focused on their individual training needs, and are generally more independent.
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Re: Club Run Saturday 20 Nov 2010

Postby Antloony » Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:40 am

Cheers Tim.

I never mind stepping in and shouting my mouth off if I think a group needs a bit of sorting out regardless of whether there's a VC there or not :lol:
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Re: Club Run Saturday 20 Nov 2010

Postby Amy » Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:08 pm

[quote="Antloony"]I never mind stepping in and shouting my mouth off if I think a group needs a bit of sorting out regardless of whether there's a VC there or not :lol:


I think you are setting a good example for other club members to follow - everyone riding is responsible for riding safely both for themselves and for the group/club as a whole!
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Re: Club Run Saturday 20 Nov 2010

Postby Snoop Doug » Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:33 pm

[quote="Amy"][quote="Antloony"]I never mind stepping in and shouting my mouth off if I think a group needs a bit of sorting out regardless of whether there's a VC there or not :lol:


I think you are setting a good example for other club members to follow - everyone riding is responsible for riding safely both for themselves and for the group/club as a whole!


Hear hear! And hopefully post the AGM whoever is elected as CR captain will encourage and develop the kind of atmosphere where this sort of proactive helpful thinking is valued even more.
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